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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Continuing to repeat this will not change 60% of Americans supporting gay marriage or for that matter the feasibility of getting enough public support for gay marriage. It's almost like you're ignoring this little fact just to play some devil's advocate.
    If that were at all true they wouldn't be mucking around in court but instead passing pro homosexual marriage legislation in every state. But of course, it isn't.

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Skewed polls!!!

    That's what it is. All "o 'em -- Skewed!!


    Poll a few folks in liberal counties in each state, or poll them all from a liberal state where homosexual marriage is already allowed by will of the people. Not to mention pollsters have always had the ability to frame the question for the answer they wish to produce.

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And there is absolutely no reason to believe their polling in this regard.


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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Actually very much. It is really only the uneducated, the imbeciles and religious zealots who are opposed or feel threatened by it. That there are some parts of the country where such closed minded nut jobs constitute a local majority is just a sad aspect of reality, but in practice irrelevant to it.
    Yeah, yeah, heard the insults before, coming from folks who hold your opinions they just don't mean much. I know you'll eventually grow out of your hatred of things traditional.

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    If that were at all true they wouldn't be mucking around in court but instead passing pro homosexual marriage legislation in every state. But of course, it isn't.
    Majority popular opinion does not necessarily or for that matter regularly translate into majority votes. It's the downside of electoral colleges, majority will doesn't mean majority vote or for that matter majority power. The writing, however, is on the wall. Gay marriage is here to stay and as the years pass, the people who are most likely to support it keep growing and those who are most likely to oppose it continue to die off. If changing demographic trends are anything to go by, gay marriage is walking straight towards complete legalization and it's simply unfeasible to turn back the clock or put the genie back in the lamp. Any hope of a magic legislative bullet to solve the problem is wishful thinking at this point.
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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post


    There are no tanks within sight of Baghdad!
    That was pretty funny. Now tell us, if public support is so high in reality, why do the people still vote against it in majority? Why does this have to be done through the courts in opposition to the people's vote?

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Continuing to repeat this will not change 60% of Americans supporting gay marriage or for that matter the feasibility of getting enough public support for gay marriage. It's almost like you're ignoring this little fact just to play some devil's advocate.



    Your usually thoughtless technique of trying to argue through hypothetical is getting boringly predictable. Have you seen anybody on the left be worried about SCOTUS doing anything other than ruling in favor of gay marriage supporters? Be serious. The only people who are already blowing the horn of Gondor over this are conservatives (Rick Sanctorum, Mike Huckabee) who scream about 'civil disobedience' because they see what is coming.

    Supporters of gay marriage have kept this to the courts and time tested methods of demonstration and hey! they have won in various states and courts! Public opinion has shifted in their favor! People, for the most part, aren't as ready to attack homosexuals! That is the reality you live in VM. A reality where your imagined support for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage is not going to be supported by the overwhelming majority of the voters. Do you honestly think that in 2015, the states would gather enough support to ban gay marriage in the constitution when they can't even do so with public opinion? Get serious.
    '%s' mean precisely nothing as they are 'polls'. But...the plus side...if you are right this would be made manifest by a landslide, and it would be put to bed forever.

    Your hysterical rant in response is cute. In case you have missed it...I'm not invested in this. Couldnt give half a damn to be completely honest. I fully expect the Supreme Court to rule in favor of gay marriage and will be glad when it is done and over with and I only wish they had had the guts to take this on a decade ago.

    So...thats a YES BTW...right? You WOULD expect the pro-gay marriage side to just completely accept the SCOTUS decision as final...even if it goes against them. Glad to see we are all on the same page.

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Majority popular opinion does not necessarily or for that matter regularly translate into majority votes. It's the downside of electoral colleges, majority will doesn't mean majority vote or for that matter majority power. The writing, however, is on the wall. Gay marriage is here to stay and as the years pass, the people who are most likely to support it keep growing and those who are most likely to oppose it continue to die off. If changing demographic trends are anything to go by, gay marriage is walking straight towards complete legalization and it's simply unfeasible to turn back the clock or put the genie back in the lamp. Any hope of a magic legislative bullet to solve the problem is wishful thinking at this point.
    Nonsense, there is no electoral college for direct vote initiative. What you're trying to avoid is saying the state legislatures, the closest direct representatives of the people show a reality that is out of odds with the propaganda polling.

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And there is absolutely no reason to believe their polling in this regard.
    IDK what to tell you. If you get out of your parent's basement more maybe you'd see that on this issue things are changing.

    It's a poll from Pew, and they seem to have a good reputation. Just because you don't agree with their findings you think it's skewed and a big conspiracy between the government and the polling centers! I can only address that with sarcasm.
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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    If that were at all true they wouldn't be mucking around in court but instead passing pro homosexual marriage legislation in every state. But of course, it isn't.
    Um...

    This is a list from 2013:


    Delaware Legislatively - 2013
    District of Columbia Legislatively - 2009
    Hawaii Legislatively - 2013
    Illinois Legislatively - 2013
    Maine Ballot 2012
    Maryland Ballot - 2012
    Minnesota Ballot/Legislatively - 2012
    New Hampshire Legislatively - 2009
    New York Legislatively - 2011
    Rhode Island Legislatively - 2013
    Vermont Legislatively - 2009
    Washington Ballot - 2012 *

    (there may be a few more since then, I'll have to check)

    Nearly a third.

    *Hattip to WorldWatcher

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