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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    It amazes me.

    There's one part of me that wants to praise goobers like Santorum for being honest about their views even though they are becoming increasingly unpopular. But on the other hand I'm not sure that they really understand how unpopular their views are. They might honestly think that most people really hate and are grossed out by gay marriage. I'm not sure if they are anti gay marriage because it honestly interferres with their personal beliefs or if because they think it will help them get votes.

    But it's just so damn easy to see that they are on the wrong side of history. Is anyone so blind that they honestly think there's a chance, even a 1% chance, that the tides are going to turn and the public are going to have a shift back to their view? That in reality, 100 years from now, the states that currently allow gay marriage will have reversed back and re-outlaw it, and none of the states that currently don't have it still won't have it? That asking "do you think two men should be able to get married?" in the future will be exactly the same as asking "Do you think that a black man should be able to marry a white woman?" is right now?
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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Rick Santorum...what a nutjob.

    This guy has fathered eight children and he was so dumb (along with his equally stupid wife) that he fathered another child when his wife was 47-48. The child was born with Edwards syndrome, a chromosomal abnormality that is partially caused by advanced age of the mother.
    How stupid do you have to be to risk birth defects on your child be having one at 48? And it is your 8'th one!?!


    So, on top of being an idiot with ridiculous ideas for running the nation...he is a personal nutjob as well.
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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    It amazes me.

    There's one part of me that wants to praise goobers like Santorum for being honest about their views even though they are becoming increasingly unpopular. But on the other hand I'm not sure that they really understand how unpopular their views are. They might honestly think that most people really hate and are grossed out by gay marriage. I'm not sure if they are anti gay marriage because it honestly interferres with their personal beliefs or if because they think it will help them get votes.

    But it's just so damn easy to see that they are on the wrong side of history. Is anyone so blind that they honestly think there's a chance, even a 1% chance, that the tides are going to turn and the public are going to have a shift back to their view? That in reality, 100 years from now, the states that currently allow gay marriage will have reversed back and re-outlaw it, and none of the states that currently don't have it still won't have it? That asking "do you think two men should be able to get married?" in the future will be exactly the same as asking "Do you think that a black man should be able to marry a white woman?" is right now?
    Sorry, it already has. Only the government is convinced homosexual marriage is a good idea, the people, not so much. The propaganda polling is absurd and they absolutely avoid polling in most states. Ask the next generation. On the playground something being called gay is not an endorsement, that's still the case.

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    But it's just so damn easy to see that they are on the wrong side of history. Is anyone so blind that they honestly think there's a chance, even a 1% chance, that the tides are going to turn and the public are going to have a shift back to their view? That in reality, 100 years from now, the states that currently allow gay marriage will have reversed back and re-outlaw it, and none of the states that currently don't have it still won't have it?
    Today, 61% of Republicans and Republican leaners under 30 favor same-sex marriage while just 35% oppose it. By contrast, just 27% of Republicans ages 50 and older favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry.

    Young Republicans favor same-sex marriage | Pew Research Center

    The GOP knows it's changing, but they also know most of their votes will come from the over 50 people. Older people tend to show up at the polls, younger people not so much.
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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I DO NOT think it should be pursued once the SCOTUS rules...BUT...prior to judges intervening, 37 states had some form of law or Constitutional Amendment against gay marriage and MOST of those were passed by HUGE majorities. IF it were to be pursued, the number of states required to ratify the amendment would be 38, and the federal judges wouldnt come into play. An amendment (especially one put to an actual vote of the people) is probably not as unlikely a prospect as you believe it to be.
    Continuing to repeat this will not change 60% of Americans supporting gay marriage or for that matter the feasibility of getting enough public support for gay marriage. It's almost like you're ignoring this little fact just to play some devil's advocate.

    That being said...like the Anti-abortion movement...once the SCOTUS decision is levied, I think its time for all parties to move forward.

    Oh...wait...scary thought. What if (in the extremely unlikely possibility) the SCOTUS rules AGAINST gay marriage and FOR states rights to decide? Would you then advocate that all gay marriage advocates lay down their arms and accept the decision with grace?
    Your usually thoughtless technique of trying to argue through hypothetical is getting boringly predictable. Have you seen anybody on the left be worried about SCOTUS doing anything other than ruling in favor of gay marriage supporters? Be serious. The only people who are already blowing the horn of Gondor over this are conservatives (Rick Sanctorum, Mike Huckabee) who scream about 'civil disobedience' because they see what is coming.

    Supporters of gay marriage have kept this to the courts and time tested methods of demonstration and hey! they have won in various states and courts! Public opinion has shifted in their favor! People, for the most part, aren't as ready to attack homosexuals! That is the reality you live in VM. A reality where your imagined support for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage is not going to be supported by the overwhelming majority of the voters. Do you honestly think that in 2015, the states would gather enough support to ban gay marriage in the constitution when they can't even do so with public opinion? Get serious.
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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Only the government is convinced homosexual marriage is a good idea, the people, not so much.
    Actually very much. It is really only the uneducated, the imbeciles and religious zealots who are opposed or feel threatened by it. That there are some parts of the country where such closed minded nut jobs constitute a local majority is just a sad aspect of reality, but in practice irrelevant to it.

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Today, 61% of Republicans and Republican leaners under 30 favor same-sex marriage while just 35% oppose it. By contrast, just 27% of Republicans ages 50 and older favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry.

    Young Republicans favor same-sex marriage | Pew Research Center

    The GOP knows it's changing, but they also know most of their votes will come from the over 50 people. Older people tend to show up at the polls, younger people not so much.
    The bottom line is that SSM and a whole bunch of other things that should be legal (like pot) are only being held up by old people.

    They will die relatively soon...and when they do their ridiculous views on these things will die with them.

    I have a lot of friends that are old...but too many (though not all) of them hold onto dated ideas that have no place in the modern world.

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Today, 61% of Republicans and Republican leaners under 30 favor same-sex marriage while just 35% oppose it. By contrast, just 27% of Republicans ages 50 and older favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry.

    Young Republicans favor same-sex marriage | Pew Research Center

    The GOP knows it's changing, but they also know most of their votes will come from the over 50 people. Older people tend to show up at the polls, younger people not so much.
    And there is absolutely no reason to believe their polling in this regard.

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Sorry, it already has. Only the government is convinced homosexual marriage is a good idea, the people, not so much. The propaganda polling is absurd and they absolutely avoid polling in most states. Ask the next generation. On the playground something being called gay is not an endorsement, that's still the case.
    Actually I have a number of junior high to highschool aged relatives, in Louisiana of all states. And just about every single one of them have a gay classmate or friend. When they hear the older family members discussing gay marriage and gay people, they look a them the same way that I looked at my grandparents when they tried to tell me about "the blacks". You don't want to correct them and be rude to your elders and very simply there's nothing you can say to change their opinion, but you still look at them with a kind of sadness and pity for them that they don't really understand how ignorant they are being.

    As for you saying the polling is rigged, I'm sure you said the same thing right before the 2012 election. And I'm sure you as correct on this as you were on that.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Rick Santorum says supreme court's gay marriage decision not 'final word'

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And there is absolutely no reason to believe their polling in this regard.
    Skewed polls!!!

    That's what it is. All "o 'em -- Skewed!!


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