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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    It's interesting to note that most posters who are defending police here are applying their own circumstances to the problem. Middle class white people are imagining a lone encounter with police going south, and saying that you just go along with the arrest and argue in court. Instead, most of these victims are poor black kids who are harassed constantly by police and aren't often arrested. They're being subject to extrajudicial punishment from police and have no recourse in the courts to fight it, especially since they can't afford lawyers. Does anyone really think that an overworked public defender is going to explore constitutional issues of police conduct for them? Of course not. There's going to be a quick plea deal. NONE of the recourses and suggestions offered by comfortable middle class white people will help poor blacks escape constant harassment and abuse from police. And no one should have to simply obey in such a situation.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's interesting to note that most posters who are defending police here are applying their own circumstances to the problem. Middle class white people are imagining a lone encounter with police going south, and saying that you just go along with the arrest and argue in court. Instead, most of these victims are poor black kids who are harassed constantly by police and aren't often arrested. They're being subject to extrajudicial punishment from police and have no recourse in the courts to fight it, especially since they can't afford lawyers. Does anyone really think that an overworked public defender is going to explore constitutional issues of police conduct for them? Of course not. There's going to be a quick plea deal. NONE of the recourses and suggestions offered by comfortable middle class white people will help poor blacks escape constant harassment and abuse from police. And no one should have to simply obey in such a situation.
    So the constant harassment you have experienced as a poor black person is the basis of your conclusion?
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    I swear I think the 24 hour news cycle and social media have most Americans thinking they all live in a small town.

    Police have always killed around 700-1000 people annually. Civilians have routinely killed from 2-3,000 annually in self defense.

    In a nation of more than 300 million, 400 million in just 20 years or so, those are trivial numbers.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by MathewSmith View Post
    WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
    The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
    The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

    U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

    I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!
    It doesn't say U.S. police have shot 385 innocent people minding their own business. Most likely, U.S. police shot murderers, rapists, and other felons in situations that the use of deadly force was necessary. I am sure in the vast majority of cases the police would much rather arrested them than shoot.

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    Interesting that 92% were 'mentally ill'. Perhaps we can trace this back to the patient rights (PC) movement advocates that put many of the mentally ill out on the streets several decades ago?
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by MathewSmith View Post
    WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
    The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
    The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

    U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

    I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!
    Here is an idea. Why don't we fire all the cops and let you and those like you become the police?

    Why someone would still be a cop in some places is beyond me. Do you and people like you actually stop and consider what cops have to go through and what they face on the streets everyday? You say you're afraid of the cops, but they are not supposed to be afraid while out on dangerous streets? Perhaps they are supposed to let people who are unarmed beat them to death so that it does show up as another cop killing someone.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    You're agreeing to that risk by driving, you're not agreeing to swat team swarming your house and shooting your kid or wife due to a mistaken identity.
    There are certain risks associated with living in the United States. One of those risks is an out of control unaccountable police force. They can barge into your house and shoot your child in the back of the head. Or throw a flash grenade to incinerate your baby in it's crib. Or if you're driving down the street the cops can rob you off all the cash and valuables on your person (literal highway robbery).

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Unless you attack police officers with weapons, resist arrest, or the like stop being scared, your fear is irrational paranoia

    All police killings are avoidable, by the suspect.
    Certainly not all

    In the last twelve months I recall at least two that were not avoidable by the "suspect"

    a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a park, the police roll up fast, get out of the car and shoot the kid, no talking, no attempt to have the kid put the toy gun down, just immediate shooting

    a young man playing with a toy gun in a store, the police are called, (tac team) when seeing the man the police open fire, the man had zero possibility of putting the toy gun down.

    A third incident did not involve the death, but at a traffic stop in a parking lot the man was out of his truck as the cop pulls up, asks the man for id, the guy goes to get it from the truck, the cop opens fire hitting the man a few times.

    Those are just a few
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Yea say that to the victims who were shot because they were running away from the cops, or the 80 year old granny that almost died because she was giving her grandchild baked goods
    Police might be entirely justified in shooting to death a person who was running away, if they knew that person had just killed someone intentionally and could not stop him from escaping in any other way.

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