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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Just one law enforcement officer is good enough to tarnish the image of the country.

    that has to be the most asinine statement i have yet to read on this board

    congrats sir

    you win the interwebz

    if "one" bad anything spoiled the whole bunch, every judge, every prosecutor, every sheriff, and every cop would have to walk off the job

    there have been bad ones before, and will bad ones yet again

    the whole justice system would just shut down

    are there bad shootings? yep

    are their cops on patrol that would be better bouncers at a local club? you bet

    i have never heard anyone claim anything else
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    1. Or maybe actually reading the history of the industrial revolution and the creation of the Republican Party in short the entire creation was to compete with the catholic immigrant way of life... Please explain to me how I am wrong
    You do realize that you are all over the place in your arguments, yes? The Neoconservative movement began in the 1960s, over 100 years after the formation of the Republican party. The Republican party was founded in 1854 as an anti-Slavery party, and it's first cause was to oppose the Kansas-Nebraska Act which threatened to spread slavery to the American territories, not to compete with "catholic immigration life". Where do you get this endless supply of imaginary history?

    But anyway, do you want to neo Neoconservatism for what it actually is or do you want to just use the word as a lazy shorthand for a general problem you have with Republicans?

    2. authoritarian
    ɔːˌθɒrɪˈtɛːrɪən/
    adjective
    1.
    favouring or enforcing strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.

    If I expand the money supply to create an export subsidy and a roundabout import tariff to boost my production and sales while limiting supply, and in the meantime I'm causing prices in the aggregate to rise due to my expansionary policy would I be using force at the expense of your freedom inside the market to maintain lower prices through competition, yes or no
    Well, first, explain how a boost in production is limiting supply, second explain to me how aggregate price increases "maintaining lower prices", third explain to me how competition is authoritarian.

    Assuming you have a clearer explanation for your seemingly contradictory scenario above, explain what freedoms are being denied to the citizen.

    3. Accidents happen and I agree, but there are definitely instances where the abuse was not just an accident. This is by definition, when it occurs, state oppression. The fact that you, as a neocon, will be willing to turn a blind eye for the "better good' rather then admitting there's work to be done proves my assumption that neocons are in favor of being authoritarian, by the mere fact that you are willing to allow the state to oppress people in certain instances and not be so up in arms because, well, accidents happen. Meanwhile, i would be charged with major crimes.
    No, it's not "state oppression". For such abuse to be "state oppression" it would need to be codified in the law. If the actions of the police officer are against the law of the state then it is not state oppression, it is an individual criminal act. If the state is prosecuting the officer(s) then that should be your first clue that the abuse is not state sanctioned.

    4. Really?
    A. Enhanced interrogation = torture neocon response " it's ok torture those terrorists they don't have rights"
    B. Patriot act...neocon
    C. Has every 'conservative" in office since Eisenhower expand the military spending?
    Again, you have NO CLUE what Neoconservatism actually is. Your rational, again, is like saying that Major League Baseball sanctions torture because many who sanction torture are baseball fans.

    Learn what actual words mean rather than insisting on arguing from a point of blatant ignorance.

    And no, I am not a neoconservative, I am a conservative. If you want I can explain the difference to you, but you don't seem open to reality so I won't waste my time unless you request it.

    6. No neocons are a product of what is wrong with this country, they aren't the boogie man. They favor immigration bands, they favor increasing war spending, they favor subsidizing big business in the name of the "free market" which literally makes no sense, they oppose Keynesianism through supply side economics which is literally just as bad. They are a product of the state plain and simple, and the worse of it all is is that a majority of them actually call themselves libertarians when they favor increasing military, police force, elastic currency, and the war on drugs! Neocons are a product of the corrupt state.
    None of which is platforms of Neoconservatism. You are just making a long winded category error.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    A little history lesson for you, in the 1890s when big business started buying up politicians like Sherman and McKinley, they implanted a corrupt crony named Brian into the grass roots Jeffersonian/Jacksonian democrats and turned them authoritarian. Now I'll give you modern democrats are worse, however, the literal history of the Republican Party is controlled by big business and using schemes as protectionist policy while they maintain a pseudo "free market" perspective.
    First off, Sherman only held office for a year and was a figured head as he was suffering from dementia at the time, secondly, do you mean William Jennings Bryan? Either way, please provide the citation tyhat shows the Democrats being infiltrated by a Republican plant that "turned them authoritarian".

    7. Considering I've done exchange rate theory and monetary theory research papers on the writings of mises and his prodigies like Murray and Hayek, I'm pretty sure I understand the intellectual thinking of mises. In fact, considering you support an elastic currency, not only would he call you an authoritarian but he would say you're no better then a socialist
    Hahahah!! Everyone on Debate Politics will be amused that you accuse me of being a Socialist! I really don't care what you did your research papers on, you still got it wrong.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    that has to be the most asinine statement i have yet to read on this board

    congrats sir

    you win the interwebz

    if "one" bad anything spoiled the whole bunch, every judge, every prosecutor, every sheriff, and every cop would have to walk off the job

    there have been bad ones before, and will bad ones yet again

    the whole justice system would just shut down

    are there bad shootings? yep

    are their cops on patrol that would be better bouncers at a local club? you bet

    i have never heard anyone claim anything else
    I probably read more about your justice system than you did.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by MathewSmith View Post
    WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
    The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
    The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

    U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

    I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!

    Out of a nation of more than 300 million people, 385 shooting deaths really isn't that bad.

    That's almost literally "one in a million."

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
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    You do realize that you are all over the place in your arguments, yes? The Neoconservative movement began in the 1960s, over 100 years after the formation of the Republican party. The Republican party was founded in 1854 as an anti-Slavery party, and it's first cause was to oppose the Kansas-Nebraska Act which threatened to spread slavery to the American territories, not to compete with "catholic immigration life". Where do you get this endless supply of imaginary history?

    But anyway, do you want to neo Neoconservatism for what it actually is or do you want to just use the word as a lazy shorthand for a general problem you have with Republicans?



    Well, first, explain how a boost in production is limiting supply, second explain to me how aggregate price increases "maintaining lower prices", third explain to me how competition is authoritarian.

    Assuming you have a clearer explanation for your seemingly contradictory scenario above, explain what freedoms are being denied to the

    And no, I am not a neoconservative, I am a conservative. If you want I can explain the difference to you, but you don't seem open to reality so I won't waste my time unless you request it.



    None of which is platforms of Neoconservatism. You are just making a long winded category error.
    1. Reading a brief history on the Republican Party according to Wikipedia does not suffice as an actual historical account. In fact Wikipedia is vastly vague and open to no actual academic criticism, so suggesting that the Republican Party started because they were anti-slavery is completely full of fallacies. The Whig party and it's principles, when it fell to the democrats, rebranded itself as an anti slave party to try to emerge the migrating german Lutheran population. This is according to the books money and banking, and a course the American economy by Murray rothbard.

    In fact, the reason I replied to your ridiculous argument in the manner I did is because I said you're right the Republican Party has always been authoritarian and you suggested I didn't know my history or was just making things up. Neoconservativism is a response to the expansion of federal power by the progressive era and the fdr administration. Plain and simple, if the democrats want to expand political power we have no problem with that so we will support socialist concepts like monetarism and a federally controlled money supply. Barry Goldwater was the only one who really combated the movement

    2. I'll answer your response in three parts
    A. When I limit supply what I'm doing is raising prices, this is how a monopoly works, by attemptinto turn the demand curve from relatively elastic to relatively inelastic. This is easier to do with a fiat currency because you can boost sales to a foreign market meanwhile cut supply domestically. If you devalue your currency you can do this, if it is tied to a hard currency you can not
    B. By using a fiat currency system you raise prices by devaluing currency, this is pretty obvious as to why so I won't go into detail h this destroys the consumer sovereignty of capitalism because the central authority now controls prices as opposed to consumers
    C. It's authoritarian because the suppliers should be given the ability to compete by using lower prices and ways to price cut competition to increase profits, however the usage of an inflationary currency sets up huge obstacles to subsidize big business. Meaning, limiting the freedoms to enter or exit a market place. This is how it is authoritarian

    3. In the eyes of his fellow "good cops" it might be the sense of an individual basis, but if it's the tax payer that is the victim then it's state oppression, due to the fact that a police officer is seen as authority or a representative of the state. There is no subjective response to change this mere fact, the victim will always look at it as state oppression, the state may prosecute officers but the leeway for a police officer to commit crimes is much more flexible then an average taxpayer. This is due to he mentality that they are above the law, meaning there is an authoritarian state.. Which is always the outcome of any government

    4. Please explain the differences, but did the neocons talk **** about the cia terrorist report yes or no, did bush administration create patriot act yes or no, has every neocon administration expanded military spending yes or no

    5. I'm not saying it's a platform in saying this way of thinking is a product of the state

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    First off, Sherman only held office for a year and was a figured head as he was suffering from dementia at the time, secondly, do you mean William Jennings Bryan? Either way, please provide the citation tyhat shows the Democrats being infiltrated by a Republican plant that "turned them authoritarian".



    Hahahah!! Everyone on Debate Politics will be amused that you accuse me of being a Socialist! I really don't care what you did your research papers on, you still got it wrong.
    Yes will Bryan, it was actually an interesting time in American history what it was was the battle between chase and Carnegie vs the Rockefeller empire. So the rockefellers bought politicians and the chases bought politicians. The easiest way to finds out who was working for who is if you look at politicians from Cleveland, they are rockefeller. Sherman, McKinley = rockefeller. Sherman started the anti-trust act, and I could go into huge detail about how that actually empowered big business, but I won't. Bryan and teddy roosevelt = chase. They weren't "republican plants" they were big business cartel plants.

    Tell me the fundamental difference of having a centrally controlled currency and a central controlled economy, and then explain to me how you do not favor some of the assumptions of Marx

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Out of a nation of more than 300 million people, 385 shooting deaths really isn't that bad.

    That's almost literally "one in a million."
    Yeah, so who cares. Right? 9/11 cost 3000 lives over 13 years ago, that's less than 230 lives/year, less than one in a million. No need to worry about terrorism, yes?
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, so who cares. Right? 9/11 cost 3000 lives over 13 years ago, that's less than 230 lives/year, less than one in a million. No need to worry about terrorism, yes?
    Considering the fact that, according to the OP, most of these people were out of their minds and brandishing potentially lethal weapons in an overtly threatening manner, I really wouldn't see any reason to "worry" about it, no.

    Don't get me wrong. I do think American law enforcement can have a tendency to be a bit trigger happy and overly aggressive. However, I hardly think this is the best stat to make that case.

    Nothing here seems particularly unreasonable.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Killing 1% who were unarmed is a heinous crime by law enforcement.
    Basing your opinion on a simple statistic is a heinous crime.

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