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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Who said people don't have 2nd amendment rights?

    Your 2nd amendment does not give you the right to commit to armed resistance against law enforcement.

    And just what are you saying about all this "white bread republicans" bull****? Are you playing the race card? ****ing pathetic. GTFO with that childish bull**** and come back when you can debate without accusing someone of something just so you can make up a false position to attack.

    Please, since I didn't read it anywhere in the OP. What race AND political affiliation were the entire 380+ people who were killed by law enforcement this year? Go ahead... provide these facts.... but only if you are done making up false positions and attributing them to others on the forum.

    Until then, nobody wants to read you post in this thread again.
    He wont like the fact that over half of the 385 (170) were white.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So someone says the word white and you go right to race?

    Tell you what. The context is that apparently 80% of those killed by police are armed. Maybe you can explain how that automatically makes them a threat.

    Until then, nobody wants to hear from you either.
    Did you read the Washington Post article (BTW...it wasnt 80%, it was a number listed as "greater than 80%")which cited the number of people in each category and the ways/means which they presented as a threat to arresting law enforcement officers?

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    According to the OP, 80% were armed.
    Killing 1% who were unarmed is a heinous crime by law enforcement.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    In other words be a compliant little robot and we'll let you live. Is this the United States? Land of the free and home of the brave?

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Well first off I use an iPad for this forum so sometimes the autocorrect on my typing switches the vocabulary, so yes detention meant definition.
    Happens to the best of us.

    Second of all, when I say believing in a national currency, I am suggesting that the entire purpose of a national currency was the creation of the state to dictate the value of the currency as opposed to the consumers, in a sense, with the ability to devalue to national currency, the republicans, were successfully able to switch the entire philosophy of the Democratic Party, why? By inflating the currency the republicans were able to prop up the export sector of business, doing so led to the progressive movement of the Democratic Party. Historically speaking, however, the democrats were infiltrated shortly after by authoritarians as well. This does not negate the fact that the Republican Party was created by authoritarians who wanted to inflate the currency and the only way they could do so is with a national currency.
    Wow, good luck with all of that. You seem to have a view of politics derived from Bond movies, comic books and the movie OFFICE SPACE.

    The very definition of an elastic currency is authoritarian, because it calls for monetary policy to allocate power to certain industries. I could get into the dynamics of how it does his, but I would suggest reading up on supporters of the national bank in order to really understand this concept
    No, it's not. You need to actually read up on what authoritarian actually means, for starters, and then maybe take an econ class or two.

    Second, the substance of my argument stems from the inherent fact that having a police force that kills innocent lives, regardless of your own morals on the subject, leads us to believe we have room to revise the actual system itself to give any attempt to remedy the situation. In short, the police force need a complete redesign because they are becoming more and more militarized, and my argument is that it's the ultimate outcome of any state controlled institution is to eventually evolve to a huge totalitarian system on the premises of complete control
    No, you have a mix up of a bunch of disparate occurrences that you have forced into a twisted world view that doesn't actually exist in the real world. Accidents happen, and the police have about the same mix of bad apples as the population in general, you just choose not to see that. You will never make a perfect police force because we are human and incapable of perfection.

    Thirdly, in the equating it to the neocon is the fact that
    A. Neocons support torture
    B. Neocons support the federalization of police force by voting unanimously for additional power of the national spy grid
    C. Neocons historically support the military industrial complex by spending more and more on proxy wars that have no end in sight
    Nope, none of that has anything to do with neo-Conservatism. And as far as proxy wars go, the last two were minuscule compared to Vietnam and Korea, both wars that were started by liberals and Vietnam was ended by a neo-Conservatives.

    In short, neocons, support an authoritarian state, historically republicans support an authoritarian state; research why the Republican Party started public schools. As well as in a political sense, when the left; who I do not agree with at all as well, suggest the police need to be reformed the neocons attack them in a partisan battle which really holds no bearing or water.
    In short, you are full of crap. For you "NeoCon" is a catchall for your personal boogiemen. You have no clue what NeoConservatism actually is. YOu could as easily replace "NeoCon" in your screeds with "DogOwners" and be about as on the mark.

    So by challenging my vocabulary what you're actually doing is what Ludwig v. Mises said about socialists, the only time people can actually respond in a factual matter is when they will, when they can't create a substantial argument they will attack what is perceived as character flaws. This holds truth to your particular style of debate.
    Not at all, Ludwig von Mises would say you are full of **** too.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    No, that's not how it works, at least for me. If someone makes a definitive claim without proof, I'm going to question them and my decision to question them comes with zero responsibility to do anything. Go try that **** with someone else. Bye.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Yeah, see I've already admitted that error on my part. However, one unnecessary death at the hands of the government is one too many.
    If one person dies at the hands of a gangster is that one too many too? Because the bull crap in Baltimore has paralyzed that police force and a small war has broken out in gang territory.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Happens to the best of us.



    Wow, good luck with all of that. You seem to have a view of politics derived from Bond movies, comic books and the movie OFFICE SPACE.



    No, it's not. You need to actually read up on what authoritarian actually means, for starters, and then maybe take an econ class or two.



    No, you have a mix up of a bunch of disparate occurrences that you have forced into a twisted world view that doesn't actually exist in the real world. Accidents happen, and the police have about the same mix of bad apples as the population in general, you just choose not to see that. You will never make a perfect police force because we are human and incapable of perfection.



    Nope, none of that has anything to do with neo-Conservatism. And as far as proxy wars go, the last two were minuscule compared to Vietnam and Korea, both wars that were started by liberals and Vietnam was ended by a neo-Conservatives.



    In short, you are full of crap. For you "NeoCon" is a catchall for your personal boogiemen. You have no clue what NeoConservatism actually is. YOu could as easily replace "NeoCon" in your screeds with "DogOwners" and be about as on the mark.



    Not at all, Ludwig von Mises would say you are full of **** too.
    1. Or maybe actually reading the history of the industrial revolution and the creation of the Republican Party in short the entire creation was to compete with the catholic immigrant way of life... Please explain to me how I am wrong

    2. authoritarian
    ɔːˌθɒrɪˈtɛːrɪən/
    adjective
    1.
    favouring or enforcing strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.

    If I expand the money supply to create an export subsidy and a roundabout import tariff to boost my production and sales while limiting supply, and in the meantime I'm causing prices in the aggregate to rise due to my expansionary policy would I be using force at the expense of your freedom inside the market to maintain lower prices through competition, yes or no

    3. Accidents happen and I agree, but there are definitely instances where the abuse was not just an accident. This is by definition, when it occurs, state oppression. The fact that you, as a neocon, will be willing to turn a blind eye for the "better good' rather then admitting there's work to be done proves my assumption that neocons are in favor of being authoritarian, by the mere fact that you are willing to allow the state to oppress people in certain instances and not be so up in arms because, well, accidents happen. Meanwhile, i would be charged with major crimes.

    4. Really?
    A. Enhanced interrogation = torture neocon response " it's ok torture those terrorists they don't have rights"
    B. Patriot act...neocon
    C. Has every 'conservative" in office since Eisenhower expand the military spending?

    6. No neocons are a product of what is wrong with this country, they aren't the boogie man. They favor immigration bands, they favor increasing war spending, they favor subsidizing big business in the name of the "free market" which literally makes no sense, they oppose Keynesianism through supply side economics which is literally just as bad. They are a product of the state plain and simple, and the worse of it all is is that a majority of them actually call themselves libertarians when they favor increasing military, police force, elastic currency, and the war on drugs! Neocons are a product of the corrupt state.

    A little history lesson for you, in the 1890s when big business started buying up politicians like Sherman and McKinley, they implanted a corrupt crony named Brian into the grass roots Jeffersonian/Jacksonian democrats and turned them authoritarian. Now I'll give you modern democrats are worse, however, the literal history of the Republican Party is controlled by big business and using schemes as protectionist policy while they maintain a pseudo "free market" perspective.

    7. Considering I've done exchange rate theory and monetary theory research papers on the writings of mises and his prodigies like Murray and Hayek, I'm pretty sure I understand the intellectual thinking of mises. In fact, considering you support an elastic currency, not only would he call you an authoritarian but he would say you're no better then a socialist
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Killing 1% who were unarmed is a heinous crime by law enforcement.
    And if such an incident WAS indeed a crime.... it was an INDIVIDUAL CRIME commited by an INDIVIDUAL Law Enforcement Officer......

    Not ALL law enforcement officers.


    Why is it we are consistently reminded of this when it comes to race and economic crime demographics, but when it comes to police, the whole lot of them are to blame for the actions of a few individuals making bad choices........

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And if such an incident WAS indeed a crime.... it was an INDIVIDUAL CRIME commited by an INDIVIDUAL Law Enforcement Officer......

    Not ALL law enforcement officers.


    Why is it we are consistently reminded of this when it comes to race and economic crime demographics, but when it comes to police, the whole lot of them are to blame for the actions of a few individuals making bad choices........
    Just one law enforcement officer is good enough to tarnish the image of the country.

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