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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    You're scared as hell? Over 300 million people and you are scared as hell because about 1,000 per year or killed by the police?

    Do you think they just shoot you for jaywalking? Minding your own business?

    Frankly, the numbe surprises me not at all.

    Look, if you don't want to get shot by the police then don't break the law or if they pull you over to question you even by mistake - do everything they say.
    You follow these two guidelines and I GUARANTEE you that a cop will not shoot you.

    In other words be a compliant little robot and we'll let you live. Is this the United States? Land of the free and home of the brave?
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Unless you attack police officers with weapons, resist arrest, or the like stop being scared, your fear is irrational paranoia

    All police killings are avoidable, by the suspect.
    I wouldn't say all police killings are avoidable, but the vast majority of them are and it is basically because of what you posted.

    Don't resist arrest, at all. The time to fight the police is in court, not in the streets if they are in the wrong. The laws of physics don't really apply when it comes to police officers. If you apply a force, do an action (that can be viewed as threatening in any way or resisting in any way), they are legally able to apply a higher level of force against you. In fact, they are generally obligated to do so for the potential safety of the community in general.

    Cops are not mind readers. They cannot tell who is a potential serious danger to them or others simply by looking at them, reading their thoughts. They have to go by actions the person does, and other facts that they have.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Resist arrest or the like, as in maybe making a sarcastic joke or ignoring an unlawful request, that tends to be the grounds for a police execution as well...

    We have a right to life if we shut up and obey
    This is just plain bull**** for the vast majority of situations where someone has ended up dead for resisting arrest. It does not represent reality. What does happen is that the force is escalated by both sides. If you ignore a lawful request (which the person on the street should consider the vast majority of police requests to be lawful, at least until they can make it into a court room), then the police can at the very least detain you. The more force you use in your resistance to obeying that lawful request, the more force the police are legally authorized to use against you to get you to comply.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I wouldn't say all police killings are avoidable, but the vast majority of them are and it is basically because of what you posted.

    Don't resist arrest, at all. The time to fight the police is in court, not in the streets if they are in the wrong. The laws of physics don't really apply when it comes to police officers. If you apply a force, do an action (that can be viewed as threatening in any way or resisting in any way), they are legally able to apply a higher level of force against you. In fact, they are generally obligated to do so for the potential safety of the community in general.

    Cops are not mind readers. They cannot tell who is a potential serious danger to them or others simply by looking at them, reading their thoughts. They have to go by actions the person does, and other facts that they have.
    This is very good advice. You cannot win in the street so don't bother trying. Save it for a courthouse. However I would point out that resisting arrest is basically whatever the cop decides it is. Some may be reasonable about it and not tack on resisting because you flinched while being cuffed but others won't.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    This is very good advice. You cannot win in the street so don't bother trying. Save it for a courthouse. However I would point out that resisting arrest is basically whatever the cop decides it is. Some may be reasonable about it and not tack on resisting because you flinched while being cuffed but others won't.
    You will find this wherever you find people though. A majority of professionals, of people in general, are generally reasonable. But in any profession, you will find those who are not, who are assholes. This is part of life.

    But you do change the odds of getting someone to act more reasonable and less paranoid when you change the potential threat level against them. And that has happened in the US to cops to an extent. They are now targeted, which doesn't make them less likely to get "itchy" around resisting suspects, or to lower their own response to situations where they have to judge whether someone is resisting arrest or just twitching, whether they are a potential danger to the cop or someone else or just being an asshole.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is just plain bull**** for the vast majority of situations where someone has ended up dead for resisting arrest. It does not represent reality. What does happen is that the force is escalated by both sides. If you ignore a lawful request (which the person on the street should consider the vast majority of police requests to be lawful, at least until they can make it into a court room), then the police can at the very least detain you. The more force you use in your resistance to obeying that lawful request, the more force the police are legally authorized to use against you to get you to comply.
    Yea say that to the victims who were shot because they were running away from the cops, or the 80 year old granny that almost died because she was giving her grandchild baked goods

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by MathewSmith View Post
    WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
    The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
    The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

    U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

    I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!
    Perhaps your fear should be even more acute while driving/riding in a car - that results in far more death/injury than police encounters. If you are of median intelligence then half of the drivers, that you share the roadway with, are dumber than you are.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Perhaps your fear should be even more acute while driving/riding in a car - that results in far more death/injury than police encounters. If you are of median intelligence then half of the drivers, that you share the roadway with, are dumber than you are.
    You're agreeing to that risk by driving, you're not agreeing to swat team swarming your house and shooting your kid or wife due to a mistaken identity.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by MathewSmith View Post
    WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
    The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
    The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

    U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

    I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!
    How many incidents of violent arrests were the police involved in where they didnt shoot the suspect dead?

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    If you make a projection for 10 years then the police will kill more people than the number of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. 4,486 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq and 2,345 U.S. soldiers died in Afghanistan.
    Yeah, but US soldiers killed more Afghanis and Iraqis that 100 years of police shootings. Not that that means anything either.

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