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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    And a long history of being prosecuted and going to jail.
    Darn, criminals going to jail....darn.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Why have so many Police Depts been investigated by DOJ and found to be severely lacking with following the laws on the books? Officers flagrantly ignoring the law, until it instills a culture within the Dept itself.

    How many investigations by DOJ does it take before Police Depts and their leadership to get the message, you follow the law, you enforce the law, you do not make Law.
    Care to provide any evidence of all that crap you just said?

    SPECIFICALLY, something to the effect that police departments are making law...

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Really? You've gone through each case individually and come to this conclusion?
    Of course I didn't do that. So, am I wrong? Were some of those people shot by police?
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    And a long history of being prosecuted and going to jail.
    I hope so. Gang members need to be prosecuted and go to jail.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Really? You've gone through each case individually and come to this conclusion?
    Have you????

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Of course I didn't do that. So, am I wrong? Were some of those people shot by police?
    When did the burden of proof stop being on the people who make definitive statements?

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    When did the burden of proof stop being on the people who make definitive statements?
    Well, then, let me re phrase. None of the murdered were killed by police as far as I know. If any significant number (any number greater than zero, most likely) had been killed by cops and not by gangs that fact would certainly have made the national news.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I used the example, in another post, of a man who killed his wife's lover in a jealous rage, or perhaps someone who killed someone who harmed their child. In both of those examples the killer is not likely to pose a threat to anyone, especially if they are unarmed. It's not really all that hard to imagine people who kill someone out of passion or stupidity and don't pose a threat to the rest of us.

    My only point is that just because the crime is a murder it doesn't automatically mean the cop can shoot the person if they feel. They still need to pass the Garner test.
    You're right--the mere fact the crime the police suspect an apparently unarmed escaping felon has committed is murder or manslaughter does not by itself give them the probable cause to believe he poses the substantial threat of serious harm or death they need to use deadly force to prevent his escape.

    Conversely, police might have the probable cause they needed to use deadly force to prevent an apparently unarmed suspected felon from escaping, even if they had no reason to believe he had committed murder or manslaughter. Police who see a suspected burglar fleeing the scene, as in Garner, know burglars sometimes commit violent felonies once inside. If they have no way to stop his escape other than to use deadly force, they can hardly be required to let him escape while they first check to see if he has committed a violent felony during the burglary.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The odds of being killed without provocation by a cop are much lower than be killed by some terrorist action, even lower than the odds of being killed by a disgruntled coworker or in some random shooting incident. Very few police killings, even shootings are innocent civilians and an overzealous cop, compared to the total number.
    ...and your objective support/data for this statement is?????

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Well, then, let me re phrase. None of the murdered were killed by police as far as I know. If any significant number (any number greater than zero, most likely) had been killed by cops and not by gangs that fact would certainly have made the national news.
    "As far as I know". At least you finally got around to admitting that you don't know for sure if any officers were directly involved. Also, the 105 number was given for deaths in the last five months so deaths before Freddie Gray would not have necessarily made it to the national news. Shootings directly involving police aside, I suppose we shouldn't even mention how a proven corrupt police department could be indirectly involved in civilian-on-civilian shootings.

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