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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by MathewSmith View Post
    WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
    The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
    The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

    U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

    I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!
    Why are you afraid?

    Do you think you'll be involved with the Police while armed with a potentially lethal object? Maybe a gun?

    And why do you assume the Police have turned into "bad characters"? Rest assured, every death at the hands of an Officer is investigated and evaluated.

    Also, why do you want to change the situation? What is so horrible about it? Do you want armed people threatening the public or the Police? Do you want mentally ill people...who may be armed...threatening the public or the Police?


    Perhaps some of those 385 deaths didn't make it into the statistics for Chicago...one American city that has had (year to date) 167 homicides, 141 shot and killed, 843 shot and wounded and 984 total shot.

    2015 Stats | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!


    btw, here is a graphic showing you are safer in Chicago if you are one of the four people shot by a Policeman this year.

    2015_police_shootings.png
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    That's exactly what I said, non dangerous fleeing criminal.

    So I was right.
    First point is that that is not what the decision says. The decision says "such force may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others." Just because someone has committed a homicide it doesn't necessarily follow that they pose a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to anyone. Think about a jealous spouse who kills his wife's boyfriend in a fit of anger as an example.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    This one of those drama inducing, sensationalizing pieces that people read and react to without absolutely no thought and all emotion.
    A self-fulfilled prophecy.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Tennessee v. Garner applies to the use of deadly force to prevent the escape of an apparently unarmed suspected felon--in that case, one who had not killed anyone. The Court held that "such force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."

    It's possible that a person who had just killed someone intentionally would appear to be unarmed, or in fact be unarmed. When the police saw him, he might no longer be holding or carrying a weapon, or he might have killed without using a weapon. It's also possible that the intentional killing the police officer knew he had committed was not a wrongful act, even if the officer did not know it was not. But it's pretty hard to imagine how an officer's knowledge that a person had just killed someone intentionally and was running away would not make that person a suspected felon, or give the officer probable cause to believe he posed, at the least, a significant threat of serious injury to others.
    I used the example, in another post, of a man who killed his wife's lover in a jealous rage, or perhaps someone who killed someone who harmed their child. In both of those examples the killer is not likely to pose a threat to anyone, especially if they are unarmed. It's not really all that hard to imagine people who kill someone out of passion or stupidity and don't pose a threat to the rest of us.

    My only point is that just because the crime is a murder it doesn't automatically mean the cop can shoot the person if they feel. They still need to pass the Garner test.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Surely the question you should be asking is not " why are police officers shooting so many people"? but instead " why are your Police being put In these situations more and more often"?

    Is this stat more a reflection on how much more violent America has become rather than how much more violent the police have become?
    Actually, violent crime has decreased while police shootings have increased.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Actually, violent crime has decreased while police shootings have increased.
    Looks like it's working! LOL!

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Neocon response

    "That statistic is irrelevant because it hardly happens"

    My response, "didn't you force me to pay for that through coercion?"

    Their response " so what who cares if they flash bang babies and beat old grandmas, they are better at making judgement calls then you due to training"

    ... I think the evidence speaks for itself considering I have never associated with or worked with some one who has flash banged a baby or beat up and old lady for delivering cookies to her grandchild at school

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Of those 105 in 5 months, how many involve government agents working in departments with long history of abuse and harrassment?
    None. They're the result of gangs that have a long history of abuse and harassment.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by MathewSmith View Post
    WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
    The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
    The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

    U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

    I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!
    So you want cops to not shoot suspects who threaten them with weapons or suspects who are dangerous? It is stupid and disingenuous to add justified shootings to this number.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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