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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by MathewSmith View Post
    WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.
    The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.
    The Post's analysis also indicates the daily death toll for 2015 is close to 2.6 as of Friday. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year, the paper said.

    U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months: REPORT

    I'm scared as hell. How did it get this bad? When have they turned into bad characters? And why?! Do the police ever evaluate whether any of those killings are avoidable? or preventable? And what can we do to change the situation? Because the situation is really horrible!
    Perhaps if you read your own figures (see bolded) you might not be in such a state of terror. Let me repeat for you: More than 80% were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Now, a rational person would be terrified, not of the police, but of those armed criminals that police are out there confronting.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    If the anti-cop crowd was sincerely concerned about anybody killing anybody they would first reach for the low-hanging fruit and focus their anger on the REAL killers who kill on a daily basis (criminals, felons, gangs, etc.,) in numbers that far exceed any deaths attributed to the police. Instead of hating on the solution, they make excuses for the real problem.

    Hater's gon' hate. What can ya do? My guess is that none among them have a hair on their ass. Their short sighted and skewed viewpoints also make me question their intellect and ability think critically.

    Then it dawns on me that I can't fix stupid so I usually move on leaving them wallowing in their ignorance. But that's just me.

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    I agree completely. Those that are still championing the OP clearly demonstrate just how stupid and ****ed up the anti-cop movement is. It was stated in the OP and has been clearly pointed out...80% of those shot were armed with deadly weapons. Of the total of TWENTY people shot that were not armed with deadly weapons, it has been shown that several of THOSE were carrying replica weapons, at least one used a vehicle for assault and several more resisted arrest and attacked cops.

    TWENTY unarmed people (and many of those 20 attacking cops) in a nation of 360 million people with over a million cops engaging in hundreds of millions of officer/citizen criminal contacts every year. Yeah...that's something for people to lose their minds over.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Actually you can. The police cannot use deadly force to detain you if all you are doing is running away. So says SCOTUS.
    Nope, you're misreading the case at hand. They can shoot fleeing suspects depending upon the crime they're suspected of committing. Better hoped no one called 911 reporting you as a murderer the cops are looking for when you run
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Perhaps if you read your own figures (see bolded) you might not be in such a state of terror. Let me repeat for you: More than 80% were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Now, a rational person would be terrified, not of the police, but of those armed criminals that police are out there confronting.
    I just love stats, facts and figures. Takes all the air out of those emotion driven debates. Save me a lot of time in deciding what is real and what is not in a world full of snake oil peddlers.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    It may have been posted previously in this thread - I confess to not having read all the entries - but I read in one of my Toronto newspapers this morning that Baltimore has just experienced its 38th murder, just since the day that the six officers in the Freddie Gray death were charged by State Prosecutors. Since that day, police have chosen not to actively fight crime involving blacks in those neighbourhoods, fearing being subjected to charges for simply doing their jobs. That provides me with an easy understanding of why the police may shoot and kill 385 to date or up to 1000 in a year, primarily in US cities.

    Here in Toronto, five times the size of Baltimore, equivalent in size to Chicago, we have between 50 and 60 murders in a year, somewhere slightly over half by gunshot. People in the US march for less police action and less police apprehension of criminals because in a few rare cases a suspect dies in the process. Tell you what - take a look at Baltimore and imagine less police visibility in your neighbourhood and see if you'd like the results.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Perhaps if you read your own figures (see bolded) you might not be in such a state of terror. Let me repeat for you: More than 80% were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns. Now, a rational person would be terrified, not of the police, but of those armed criminals that police are out there confronting.
    And what about the other 20%? Don't you think that the government killing 20% of the citizenry is a problem?

    I find it nothing but amusing that the same people who claim to have been afraid of "Obama's death panels" are totally ok with the police killing hundreds of people. Is it ok as long as they're potentially Democratic voters?


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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Why would a public defender's office be involved in charging police with violating a person's civil rights?
    They would be contesting an illegal arrest or search. But moreso, they wouldn't be. Because public defenders have many times as many cases than they have time to work on, and so our criminal justice system is largely a plea bargain factory for incarcerating poor people who can't actually afford to defend themselves in a fair trial. And because poor people can't afford attorneys to press civil suits, so there's no one else to do it.
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    I don't think that is the case. I think people understand. However, since you admit you aren't poor and black, you have no basis from which to make the claims you did. You might think you know, and it might be important to you personally to demonize people you don't know, but that is all it is.
    I'll be sure to remember this post the next time you comment about people on welfare, or someone of a different race or religion than you. Since you aren't those people, you have no basis to make claims about them.Or maybe we have objective facts, studies, and statistics about things and the plural of anecdote is never data. So regardless of what you feel is correct based on your own experiences, they have nothing to do with the greater world around you.
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Nope, you're misreading the case at hand. They can shoot fleeing suspects depending upon the crime they're suspected of committing. Better hoped no one called 911 reporting you as a murderer the cops are looking for when you run

    You are mistaken. Here's the decision for you to read if you like. The salient point is here:

    Held:

    The Tennessee statute is unconstitutional insofar as it authorizes the use of deadly force against, as in this case, an apparently unarmed, nondangerous fleeing suspect; such force may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. Pp. 7-22. [471 U.S. 1, 2]
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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I agree completely. Those that are still championing the OP clearly demonstrate just how stupid and ****ed up the anti-cop movement is. It was stated in the OP and has been clearly pointed out...80% of those shot were armed with deadly weapons. Of the total of TWENTY people shot that were not armed with deadly weapons, it has been shown that several of THOSE were carrying replica weapons, at least one used a vehicle for assault and several more resisted arrest and attacked cops.

    TWENTY unarmed people (and many of those 20 attacking cops) in a nation of 360 million people with over a million cops engaging in hundreds of millions of officer/citizen criminal contacts every year. Yeah...that's something for people to lose their minds over.
    LOL! I know, right!?!?

    Heck, just in Chicago ALONE......

    Through Monday, the city recorded 78 homicides, about a 26 percent increase over the entire three-month period last year, when there were 62, Chicago Police Department statistics show. There was also about a 13 percent rise since 2013, when there were 69 from January through March.

    The number of killings is six more, though, than through the first three months of 2011, when it was 72.

    Shootings rose by about 40 percent during the first three months of this year, according to the statistics. Through Monday, there were 355 shootings, compared with 253 through all of March 2014.
    <snip> Chicago homicides, shootings up in 2015 - Chicago Tribune

    Why aren't these anti-cop apologists protesting up and down MLK Blvd., in Bigtown, USA, where the REAL killing is taking place? I mean, if they are all that concerned for the criminal element.

    I dunno. I think I have wasted enough time trying to understand those people. Time to change the channel.

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    Re: U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It may have been posted previously in this thread - I confess to not having read all the entries - but I read in one of my Toronto newspapers this morning that Baltimore has just experienced its 38th murder, just since the day that the six officers in the Freddie Gray death were charged by State Prosecutors. Since that day, police have chosen not to actively fight crime involving blacks in those neighbourhoods, fearing being subjected to charges for simply doing their jobs. That provides me with an easy understanding of why the police may shoot and kill 385 to date or up to 1000 in a year, primarily in US cities.

    Here in Toronto, five times the size of Baltimore, equivalent in size to Chicago, we have between 50 and 60 murders in a year, somewhere slightly over half by gunshot. People in the US march for less police action and less police apprehension of criminals because in a few rare cases a suspect dies in the process. Tell you what - take a look at Baltimore and imagine less police visibility in your neighbourhood and see if you'd like the results.
    At least the ones in Baltimore are free to be fully armed!


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