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O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

Hey buddy, you've no doubt seen my position on China as related to the Spratly's. As to Clinton, I agree and am hoping for someone to derail her. Although, I'm not interested in another corporatist in the WH. But can we really expect to avoid that, whether it's a republican or a democrat next?
no I haven't seen what you wrote on the South China sea/Spratley's..got a link?

Yes there isn't any avoidance of 'corporatist" -I was thinking of Hillary's love for the Trans Pacific PArtnership/
I don't like it, I don't think we need it -bilateral agreement s can be worked out, and I really
don't want a bunch of corporate attys. suing sovereign states over perceived lost profits.

O'Malley is against the TPP also.
 
The Financial Sector is already Regulated. O'malley's just trying to gin up the kook base who blame Wall Street on the 2008 Financial collapse.

Count me as one of the kooks because the big banks were partly responsible for their own demise. Granted DC was also a big player, but lets not pretend here. I think it's great to be honest that Hillary gets more competition from Dems. The 19 or 20 republicans are going to tear each other apart, and we need that on the other side if this is going to work. Hillary needs a good portion of those kooks you refer too, and I'd say it's about half of the dem electorate right now, she can't move away from it, and that's a good thing.


Tim-
 
The Financial Sector is already Regulated. O'malley's just trying to gin up the kook base who blame Wall Street on the 2008 Financial collapse.

And so you think they're being attacked by that?
 
no I haven't seen what you wrote on the South China sea/Spratley's..got a link?

Yes there isn't any avoidance of 'corporatist" -I was thinking of Hillary's love for the Trans Pacific PArtnership/
I don't like it, I don't think we need it -bilateral agreement s can be worked out, and I really
don't want a bunch of corporate attys. suing sovereign states over perceived lost profits.

O'Malley is against the TPP also.

Glad to hear he's against TPP, however, I guess that you're aware of the fact that 85% of the TPP negotiators on the US side are corporate execs and industry lobbyists. So, if O'Malley's a corporatist, how's he really opposed to TPP? Besides all the issues that the opponents to TPP already agree on, there are those that make a good argument that for the US it's as much about containment (blocking China's rise) as it is about trade. History can show what that produces.
 
LOL.
I can't get anything past you...this one is kina important to me, I want A.B.C. = Anybody But Hillary.

Plus I think O'Malley is just a new type of politician. There hasn't really been anyone since Harry Truman
who didn't completely pass the buck ( "The Buck Stops Here "- on Truman's Desk)..

At least it's something different......something old that could be something new again

We agree on many things regarding O'Malley and Clinton. I suspect that this may be something like 1968 with Gene McCarthy where nobody wanted to jump in to oppose the heavy favored LBJ and then McCarthy had a bit of success in New Hampshire so Bobby Kennedy got in and then it all changed. If O'Malley can have that same sort of early impact with some success it just may inspire somebody else with a bigger name to get in. Sadly for the Democratic Party and even more sadly for America - Bobby Kennedy was one of a kind and there is no new Bobby on the horizon.
 
This is good news for republicans. it won't be a simple primary for democrats. they are going to have to show how radical left they are to win the nomination and the
more bad publicity they have to beat each other up over the better off it will be.

the more that jump into the democratic primary the better off the republicans will be. since to win the democratic primary they are going to have to go so far left that
they will not be able to pull back to the middle.
 
This is good news for republicans. it won't be a simple primary for democrats. they are going to have to show how radical left they are to win the nomination and the
more bad publicity they have to beat each other up over the better off it will be.

the more that jump into the democratic primary the better off the republicans will be. since to win the democratic primary they are going to have to go so far left that
they will not be able to pull back to the middle.

Lol. In the meantime, the whole Republican Party is running for president. :lamo
 
Surely seems that way. To Ludin, I think this is good news for Democrats. They need fresh candidates too as alternatives to Hillary Clinton. It's still early. O'Malley sounds pretty exciting.
 
I'm sure Republican Senators are thrilled with what Rand Paul did tonight also.
Since so many of my GOP friends seem to post more about candidates running against Hillary than they do about their 19 clowns.

While GOP Senators accused Paul of putting the Nation at risk over the Patriot Act expiring just to raise campaign funds,
Paul accused his own GOP of hoping we'd have a terrorist attack while the Patriot Act has lapsed.

Let's have Paul and Sanders talk of their isolation as with the 1930s.
Or arming Vietnam against China as McCain wants to.
Or GOP boots on the ground in Iraq.

But you'll need outlets other than FOX or CNN--or the RNC will pull their GOP debates .
 
Lol. In the meantime, the whole Republican Party is running for president. :lamo

I would rather have a diverse group of people than 1 really bad candidate such as Hillary.
 
There's a reason I stay out of what's so often lovingly called the Peoples Republic of Maryland ;)

I'd love O'Malley to get into the race and beat up Clinton a bit. I'd be estatic if he won, but there's no chance of that. The man couldn't even give his own Lt. Govenor enough of a bump to beat out a Republican in a Democratic stronghold. O'Malley won't play nation wide hon
 
I'm sure Republican Senators are thrilled with what Rand Paul did tonight also.
Since so many of my GOP friends seem to post more about candidates running against Hillary than they do about their 19 clowns.

Well, thank goodness, then that I'm not a Republican and am therefore allowed to discuss the snoozefest that is, so far, Hillary Clinton's so-called "campaign."

As a citizen, I'd like to see every party field the very best candidates, and at this point in the 2016 race, there should be some competition so that we all can judge for ourselves. I'd therefore like the Democrats to have at least a couple of people willing to brave the "conventional wisdom" and de facto anointing of Hillary Clinton by tossing their hats in the ring. I'm glad O'Malley has.
 
More important though is his ideas of metrics - accountability and follow up -set goals, and make adjustments as needed to succeed.

Probably the reason I'm slightly more interested in O'Malley over Sanders (well also, Sanders is probably un-electable in the general election) still, that metric/DMAIC (think it's DMAIC, always get the different acronyms mixed up) approach sounds fairly interesting and be curious to see how it'd work out and/or how well he'd apply it.
 
I'm still all Bernie
 
The Financial Sector is already Regulated. O'malley's just trying to gin up the kook base who blame Wall Street on the 2008 Financial collapse.

Dunno there Fenton. I'm left with the overall impression that it was equal parts of federal government, Wall Street Banksters, and unscrupulous mortgage originators. But that's probably another thread.

Count me as one of the kooks because the big banks were partly responsible for their own demise. Granted DC was also a big player, but lets not pretend here. I think it's great to be honest that Hillary gets more competition from Dems. The 19 or 20 republicans are going to tear each other apart, and we need that on the other side if this is going to work. Hillary needs a good portion of those kooks you refer too, and I'd say it's about half of the dem electorate right now, she can't move away from it, and that's a good thing.

Tim-

I can subscribe to this Tim, as long as you add the unscrupulous mortgage originators.
 
For the more conspiracy orientated:
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has replaced fellow populist Elizabeth Warren, a senator from Massachusetts, as the leading contender to Clinton among Iowa Democrats, the poll finds. Sixteen percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers say Sanders would be their first choice for president. That's up from 5% in the January poll.
Iowa Poll shows big Clinton lead, but also some worries

Now we know why O'Malley really announced, to split the Sanders vote! :2razz:

Seriously though, it's probably the fact Warren was taken off the list finally, so guessing a good number of likely Warren voters switched to Sanders.

Surprised by the favorability rating of Clinton and Obama though in that poll, would expected lower among democrats, and Sanders a bit higher (though lack of knowledge may attribute to that right now). To tie back to O'Malley looks like he'd have a chance, very early though but could pick up, up to 82%. Very unlikely to happen of course but hopeful is hopeful!
 
"Recently, the CEO of Goldman Saches let his employees know that he'd be just fine with either Bush or Clinton. I bet he would," O'Malley said. "Well, I've got news for the bullies of Wall Street: The presidency is not a crown to be passed back and forth by you between two royal families. It is a sacred trust to be earned from the people of the United States, and exercised on behalf of the people of the United States." :roll:

Wow....Attacking Big banks and ignoring the real " criminals " ? That's so original coming from a Democrat.

The hard truth of our shared reality is this: Unemployment in many American cities and in many small towns across the United States is higher now than it was eight years ago. Conditions of extreme and growing poverty create conditions for extreme violence. We have work to do.”

Lol.....I bet his plan is going to have something to do with " stimulus to increase aggregate demand" and THIS

" He said he thinks the country should broaden its view of which workers qualify for overtime pay and make it easier for workers to unionize and bargain for better wages.

He pointed to paid leave and affordable childcare as key to improving the economy, and said he believes it is an economic imperative to create a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. "

As Governor, he increased sales taxes, income taxes on high-income earners and created new taxes on services. He also raised the gas tax for the first time in more than two decades and increased the corporate tax rate. Don't let this guy anywhere near the White House.

I wonder if he's planning to turn down Wall Street money? ;)
 
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