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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    "Recently, the CEO of Goldman Saches let his employees know that he'd be just fine with either Bush or Clinton. I bet he would," O'Malley said. "Well, I've got news for the bullies of Wall Street: The presidency is not a crown to be passed back and forth by you between two royal families. It is a sacred trust to be earned from the people of the United States, and exercised on behalf of the people of the United States."

    Wow....Attacking Big banks and ignoring the real " criminals " ? That's so original coming from a Democrat.

    The hard truth of our shared reality is this: Unemployment in many American cities and in many small towns across the United States is higher now than it was eight years ago. Conditions of extreme and growing poverty create conditions for extreme violence. We have work to do.”

    Lol.....I bet his plan is going to have something to do with " stimulus to increase aggregate demand" and THIS

    " He said he thinks the country should broaden its view of which workers qualify for overtime pay and make it easier for workers to unionize and bargain for better wages.

    He pointed to paid leave and affordable childcare as key to improving the economy, and said he believes it is an economic imperative to create a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. "

    As Governor, he increased sales taxes, income taxes on high-income earners and created new taxes on services. He also raised the gas tax for the first time in more than two decades and increased the corporate tax rate. Don't let this guy anywhere near the White House.
    Imposing restrictions and regulations upon the financial sector isn't attacking anything, it's the American way.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I gave you a link,suffice to say he's parallel to sanders on those issue. Where he differs is he was a 2 term governor and mayor.
    He's to the left of Hillary, he's a Progressive. Keep an eye on him as the campaign unfolds and you should see that.
    For me it's more about his proven successes as Gov.

    Many didn't like his "zero tolerance" way of arrests in Baltimore. I don't think anyone likes that.
    But he did clip the burgeoning homicide rate.

    Arrests are down 50% in Baltimore since the Freddie Gray affair (May totals)
    and Baltimore just had a spike in homicides for the same period.

    Again for me though his StateStas, and CitiStats metrics is what separates him from Sanders. and other politicians
    Maryland StateStat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I agree, flanked by Sanders and O'Malley, Hillary looks like a right winger.
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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I agree, flanked by Sanders and O'Malley, Hillary looks like a right winger.
    corporatist. they all are.
    Hillary is militaristic..i'm all for power projecton.The Chinese are getting away with annexing the Spratleys Islands, with their man made ones.

    That area is contested,has a lot of mineral rights,and a lot of commerce goes thru it. For that reason the US needs to challenge Chinese hegemony/imperialism.
    I'm not talking war fare, but a presence..Hilary I do not trust after her "Friends ofSyria" and Libya fiascos

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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    corporatist. they all are.
    Hillary is militaristic..i'm all for power projecton.The Chinese are getting away with annexing the Spratleys Islands, with their man made ones.

    That area is contested,has a lot of mineral rights,and a lot of commerce goes thru it. For that reason the US needs to challenge Chinese hegemony/imperialism.
    I'm not talking war fare, but a presence..Hilary I do not trust after her "Friends ofSyria" and Libya fiascos
    Hey buddy, you've no doubt seen my position on China as related to the Spratly's. As to Clinton, I agree and am hoping for someone to derail her. Although, I'm not interested in another corporatist in the WH. But can we really expect to avoid that, whether it's a republican or a democrat next?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Imposing restrictions and regulations upon the financial sector isn't attacking anything, it's the American way.
    The Financial Sector is already Regulated. O'malley's just trying to gin up the kook base who blame Wall Street on the 2008 Financial collapse.
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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hey buddy, you've no doubt seen my position on China as related to the Spratly's. As to Clinton, I agree and am hoping for someone to derail her. Although, I'm not interested in another corporatist in the WH. But can we really expect to avoid that, whether it's a republican or a democrat next?
    no I haven't seen what you wrote on the South China sea/Spratley's..got a link?

    Yes there isn't any avoidance of 'corporatist" -I was thinking of Hillary's love for the Trans Pacific PArtnership/
    I don't like it, I don't think we need it -bilateral agreement s can be worked out, and I really
    don't want a bunch of corporate attys. suing sovereign states over perceived lost profits.

    O'Malley is against the TPP also.

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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Financial Sector is already Regulated. O'malley's just trying to gin up the kook base who blame Wall Street on the 2008 Financial collapse.
    Count me as one of the kooks because the big banks were partly responsible for their own demise. Granted DC was also a big player, but lets not pretend here. I think it's great to be honest that Hillary gets more competition from Dems. The 19 or 20 republicans are going to tear each other apart, and we need that on the other side if this is going to work. Hillary needs a good portion of those kooks you refer too, and I'd say it's about half of the dem electorate right now, she can't move away from it, and that's a good thing.


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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Financial Sector is already Regulated. O'malley's just trying to gin up the kook base who blame Wall Street on the 2008 Financial collapse.
    And so you think they're being attacked by that?
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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    no I haven't seen what you wrote on the South China sea/Spratley's..got a link?

    Yes there isn't any avoidance of 'corporatist" -I was thinking of Hillary's love for the Trans Pacific PArtnership/
    I don't like it, I don't think we need it -bilateral agreement s can be worked out, and I really
    don't want a bunch of corporate attys. suing sovereign states over perceived lost profits.

    O'Malley is against the TPP also.
    Glad to hear he's against TPP, however, I guess that you're aware of the fact that 85% of the TPP negotiators on the US side are corporate execs and industry lobbyists. So, if O'Malley's a corporatist, how's he really opposed to TPP? Besides all the issues that the opponents to TPP already agree on, there are those that make a good argument that for the US it's as much about containment (blocking China's rise) as it is about trade. History can show what that produces.
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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    LOL.
    I can't get anything past you...this one is kina important to me, I want A.B.C. = Anybody But Hillary.

    Plus I think O'Malley is just a new type of politician. There hasn't really been anyone since Harry Truman
    who didn't completely pass the buck ( "The Buck Stops Here "- on Truman's Desk)..

    At least it's something different......something old that could be something new again
    We agree on many things regarding O'Malley and Clinton. I suspect that this may be something like 1968 with Gene McCarthy where nobody wanted to jump in to oppose the heavy favored LBJ and then McCarthy had a bit of success in New Hampshire so Bobby Kennedy got in and then it all changed. If O'Malley can have that same sort of early impact with some success it just may inspire somebody else with a bigger name to get in. Sadly for the Democratic Party and even more sadly for America - Bobby Kennedy was one of a kind and there is no new Bobby on the horizon.
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