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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Is he going to do the same thing that Barack did to Hillary in 2008? Poor Hillary.
    I'm thinking the same thing. Hillary is not a shoe-in IMO.

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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

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    On the road, O'Malley touts a string of progressive actions he oversaw as governor of Maryland. Under his leadership, the state tightened gun laws, implemented a progressive tax code and legalized same-sex marriage. He also expanded the state's health care rolls, championed Obamacare and signed a bill raising the state's minimum wage to $10.10 an hour.

    Yet O'Malley found himself defending that Maryland record recently when riots broke out in Baltimore over the death of a 25-year-old African-American man under police custody.
    The treatment of Freddie Gray, which sparked a national dialogue about police conduct toward racial minorities, drew renewed scrutiny to the controversial zero-tolerance policing strategy that O'Malley advocated for as mayor -- part of an aggressive strategy to crack down on crime.

    In an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper last month, O'Malley declared that Baltimore saw a "record reduction in violent crime" under his watch.
    There are "probably now 1,000 mostly young, poor African-American men who did not die violent deaths in our city" because of these policies
    Martin O'Malley enters 2016 presidential race - CNNPolitics.com
    IMO, he's not going to get very far. First, Clinton remains a strong candidate. Second, his record was mixed. The fact that he was succeeded by a Republican governor in a heavily Democratic state and the recent riots in Baltimore don't exactly demonstrate great success.

    Moreover, just as some Republican candidates appear detached from the latest empirical evidence concerning inequality, so does former Governor O'Malley. Caricatures of tax cuts leading to the desired outcomes on one hand and punitive treatment of Wall Street on the other producing similarly desirable outcomes have little support in the latest empirical literature. Some of the most recent research suggests the importance of high-growth, high-value firms could be part of a comprehensive policy approach.

    The Rise of and Firming Up Inequality

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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i guess i'd like to know specifics about what he'd do to help the average worker. also, where is he at on bringing home the troops and prioritizing a domestic agenda? how about sending our kids to college without bankrupting them? i would really like to see a platform. if he could run to Hillary's left as an electable Sanders, i might be interested. until then, Sanders is the only candidate that i believe actually gives even a tiny **** about me and the issues that i care about.
    I gave you a link,suffice to say he's parallel to sanders on those issue. Where he differs is he was a 2 term governor and mayor.
    He's to the left of Hillary, he's a Progressive. Keep an eye on him as the campaign unfolds and you should see that.
    For me it's more about his proven successes as Gov.

    Many didn't like his "zero tolerance" way of arrests in Baltimore. I don't think anyone likes that.
    But he did clip the burgeoning homicide rate.

    Arrests are down 50% in Baltimore since the Freddie Gray affair (May totals)
    and Baltimore just had a spike in homicides for the same period.

    Again for me though his StateStas, and CitiStats metrics is what separates him from Sanders. and other politicians
    Maryland StateStat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I gave you a link,suffice to say he's parallel to sanders on those issue. Where he differs is he was a 2 term governor and mayor.
    He's to the left of Hillary, he's a Progressive. Keep an eye on him as the campaign unfolds and you should see that.
    For me it's more about his proven successes as Gov.

    Many didn't like his "zero tolerance" way of arrests in Baltimore. I don't think anyone likes that.
    But he did clip the burgeoning homicide rate.

    Arrests are down 50% in Baltimore since the Freddie Gray affair (May totals)
    and Baltimore just had a spike in homicides for the same period.

    Again for me though his StateStas, and CitiStats metrics is what separates him from Sanders. and other politicians
    Maryland StateStat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    no candidate is perfect. thanks for the link; i will check it out.

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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    This thing about "sowing the seeds of mistrust" with the black community has some truth.
    But it's also true homicides were spiking ( along with violent crime) and he did turn that around in his first term as mayor.
    They started to come back up in 2nd term, but never were as high as before he served.

    Also the new mayor after O'Malley stopped zero tolerance. Zero tolerance is controversial. I'd rather not see it, but i'd more rather
    see the homicide rate in Baltimore not go up. Per capita it's one of the highest in the nation.

    O'Malley did other things, like try to buy up blocks of vacant homes -Baltimore was close to 1 million people in the mid 1950's
    Now the population is about 670,000 so there is a lot of boarded up houses,and they are crime magnets, and what is called "urban blight"

    Like other cities it's lost it's abilities to have good paying manufacturing jobs; O'Malley did what he could in terms of job creation
    but he was mayor when the recession hit in 2008, so most of the jobs were down in the Inner harbor area, and didn't expand into the very poor areas.

    Anyways....before I get into all that minutia that most don't care about..if you think you might be interested in someone other
    then the usual cookie cutter Democrat, or what I think is a better way of governing, you can check
    this announcement article
    Facing long odds, O'Malley enters race for president - Baltimore Sun
    He embraced a new way of thinking about management relying on data to measure the time it took to fill potholes and fix streetlights and a tough policing strategy that remains controversial today.

    Confronting a city paralyzed by violence and 300-plus homicides a year O'Malley arrived at City Hall in 1999 with a zero-tolerance police strategy imported from New York. As he wrestled with top brass at police headquarters, officers cleared open drug markets and arrests soared. Over the next decade, Baltimore experienced the largest reduction in crime of any large city in

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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i guess i'd like to know specifics about what he'd do to help the average worker. also, where is he at on bringing home the troops and prioritizing a domestic agenda? how about sending our kids to college without bankrupting them? i would really like to see a platform. if he could run to Hillary's left as an electable Sanders, i might be interested. until then, Sanders is the only candidate that i believe actually gives even a tiny **** about me and the issues that i care about.
    Im sure he's very much in favor of losing the war on terror and helping redistribute wealth to unions. Plus he left Baltimore in such great shape, you almost dont need hepa masks to breathe anymore so thats good.

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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im sure he's very much in favor of losing the war on terror and helping redistribute wealth to unions. Plus he left Baltimore in such great shape, you almost dont need hepa masks to breathe anymore so thats good.
    i don't know enough about his platform to comment one way or the other.

    as for perpetual interventionism, how much more in taxes are you personally willing to pay to fund it?

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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    On the road, O'Malley touts a string of progressive actions he oversaw as governor of Maryland. Under his leadership, the state tightened gun laws, implemented a progressive tax code and legalized same-sex marriage. He also expanded the state's health care rolls, championed Obamacare and signed a bill raising the state's minimum wage to $10.10 an hour.

    Yet O'Malley found himself defending that Maryland record recently when riots broke out in Baltimore over the death of a 25-year-old African-American man under police custody.
    The treatment of Freddie Gray, which sparked a national dialogue about police conduct toward racial minorities, drew renewed scrutiny to the controversial zero-tolerance policing strategy that O'Malley advocated for as mayor -- part of an aggressive strategy to crack down on crime.

    In an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper last month, O'Malley declared that Baltimore saw a "record reduction in violent crime" under his watch.
    There are "probably now 1,000 mostly young, poor African-American men who did not die violent deaths in our city" because of these policies
    Martin O'Malley enters 2016 presidential race - CNNPolitics.com

    PROGRESSIVE ACTIONS... ROTFLOL

    Editor's corrections in Red
    On the road, O'Malley touts a string of Socialist Moves he oversaw as governor of Maryland. Under his Socialist inspired leadership, the state sought to do away with the 4th amendment to the best of their ability, implemented a tax code more in line with the USSR than the USA and legalized same-sex marriage. He also expanded the state's health care rolls the miserable failure known as Obamacare and showing he is a complete fiscal moron signed a bill raising the state's minimum wage to $10.10 an hour, a move which which caused businesses to hire fewer people.
    ...we've been quite content to produce
    an unaware and compliant citizenry.


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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I'm a fan. I'm from Baltimore and saw just how bad that city was before he became mayor - I left just as he was coming in.

    More important though is his ideas of metrics - accountability and follow up -set goals, and make adjustments as needed to succeed.
    That's unheard of in governing bureaucracies - usually it's just top down decrees, and hope some of it sinks down to mid management.

    I am apolitical in terms of ideology. It doesn't matter to me so much which direction the county takes
    as long as it's not business as usual - stumbling along unable to problem solve.

    The VA fiasco is a good ex. of why some real down reach into the ABC agencies are needed.

    Hillary is the same worn out tired: "throw money at it and hope it's fixed" mentality.
    O'Malley offer not just generational change but a change in how government operates.
    He sounds like Hillary and Obama without the racist bent of Obama or the deep seated corruption of the Clintons.

    Just another tax and spend Socialist.

    I'm happy he's running, as it offers a chance... if he has the balls... to illustrate to the country how corrupt the Clintons are. But being a butt buddy of theirs, I doubt he'll have the sack.

    He needs to destroy Hillary to win, and I hope he does. To borrow from a famous American racist, and mentor of Obama... It's time for Clinton's chickens to come home to roost.
    ...we've been quite content to produce
    an unaware and compliant citizenry.


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    Re: O'Malley jumps into presidential race, offers progressive alternative to Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i guess i'd like to know specifics about what he'd do to help the average worker. also, where is he at on bringing home the troops and prioritizing a domestic agenda? how about sending our kids to college without bankrupting them? i would really like to see a platform. if he could run to Hillary's left as an electable Sanders, i might be interested. until then, Sanders is the only candidate that i believe actually gives even a tiny **** about me and the issues that i care about.
    I agree, we need information on this guy to be able to conclude his potential value, if any.
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