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    China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Sandwiched between the usual banal topics of gay marriage and Ferguson, is a U.S. threat to send ships and aircraft to the South China sea over the disputed islands. America claims that the dispute is about territorial rights in the sea itself and China says it’s about the islands themselves.

    Do you, like me, get a feeling of a possible big catastrophe coming in the not too distant future?

    An American response
    China cautions U.S. Navy on patrols in South China Sea - CNNPolitics.com
    ‘Washington (CNN)—The U.S. is considering deploying aircraft and ships to contest Chinese claims to disputed islands in the South China Sea, U.S. officials said Wednesday.
    Options are on the table to fly surveillance aircraft and sail Navy ships nearby in a move that puts the U.S. directly into a contentious territorial contest in East Asia, in which, until now, the U.S. has avoided overtly taking sides.’


    China replies
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...inese-state-ne
    'A war between the United States and China is “inevitable” unless Washington stops demanding Beijing halt its construction projects in the South China Sea, a Chinese state-owned newspaper warns.
    “If the United States’ bottom line is that China has to halt its activities, then a US-China war is inevitable in the South China Sea,” The Global Times, an influential newspaper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper the People’s Daily, said in an editorial Monday.'


    Will America back down? Possibly the idea will be shelved, or it might end in a stalemate. America will sail through the South China seas as it’s entitled to do but keeping well away from the islands and stick it’s tongue out and China will boast it didn’t intervene because it didn’t come near the islands. Face saved on both sides and everyone goes home happy.
    The alternative is that America does intrude on the islands in which case China will react. The loss of face, which are often grounds for suicide in Asia, will force them to do so.

    An alternative view
    http://rt.com/news/257841-russia-china-us-hegemony/
    "The White House is determined to block the rise of the key nuclear-armed nations, Russia and China, neither of whom will join the "world’s acceptance of Washington’s hegemony," says head of the Institute for Political Economy, Paul Craig Roberts.
    Dr Roberts believes that neither Russia, nor China will meanwhile accept the so-called "vassalage status accepted by the UK, Germany, France and the rest of Europe, Canada, Japan and Australia." According to the political analyst, the "price of world peace is the world’s acceptance of Washington’s hegemony."


    I think what America increasingly has to accept is that there are two new kids on the block called Russia and China and both have threatened to use nuclear weapons. China is not in opposition to a U.S. military presence in places like Japan or South Korea, but like Putin with the Ukraine and now China with the islands dispute, both are increasingly drawing red lines of their own in their own backyards.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    In my view, as long as America retains conventional weapons and non-nuclear superiority, it will always rule the seas and the airways. Just as Russia throughout the cold war often threatened nuclear war but never acted, China will as well. China sees, as many do, a weak President in Washington and is taking that opportunity to flex its muscles, as Russia has done in the Ukraine. Should America, with Japan and other allies, stand up to China in the South China seas, China will look for a way to save face and retreat.
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Couldn't find anything on "nuclear".

    Next please.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    In my view, as long as America retains conventional weapons and non-nuclear superiority, it will always rule the seas and the airways. Just as Russia throughout the cold war often threatened nuclear war but never acted, China will as well. China sees, as many do, a weak President in Washington and is taking that opportunity to flex its muscles, as Russia has done in the Ukraine. Should America, with Japan and other allies, stand up to China in the South China seas, China will look for a way to save face and retreat.
    I thought differently when first moving here a year ago to live and work. Now, I agree with you. I have learned that in the government and business sectors, the right hand really doesn't know at all what the left hand is doing, and when it does, it works diligently to make sure that the other doesn't hold the cards. I see this very much in the situation with the Spratley Island developments. What one department helped to create, so many others will have to defend to save face on an almost daily basis as the nations of the world see the US and others fly over unimpeded on an almost daily if not hourly basis. Not wanting to sermonize for hours on what I have learned living here, there is no better example of the ineptitude so prevalent in the Chinese government and its favored business sectors than the situation in the Spratley Islands.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    I honestly really dislike the People's republic of China and most....not all... Ethnic Chinese people...

    I've dated one, and she opened my eyes to the world of China, she was somewhat of an exception in some ways and not in others... and it's a messed up place, with messed up, rude, shovanistic, cowardly, superficial, and pretentious people.

    This is my personal experience... and of course there are awesome chinese people and by no means is this related to Chinese descended Americans.... But I've had many chinese friends and socialized with many of them in college, and there is an overwhelming pattern I have seen with how their parents are... how their government is... how they view the world...and it disturbs me

    And when I mean ethnic chinese, I mean chinese chinese... not the American socialized ones/ ones that hang out with people other than chinese
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    Sandwiched between the usual banal topics of gay marriage and Ferguson, is a U.S. threat to send ships and aircraft to the South China sea over the disputed islands. America claims that the dispute is about territorial rights in the sea itself and China says it’s about the islands themselves.

    Do you, like me, get a feeling of a possible big catastrophe coming in the not too distant future?

    An American response
    China cautions U.S. Navy on patrols in South China Sea - CNNPolitics.com
    ‘Washington (CNN)—The U.S. is considering deploying aircraft and ships to contest Chinese claims to disputed islands in the South China Sea, U.S. officials said Wednesday.
    Options are on the table to fly surveillance aircraft and sail Navy ships nearby in a move that puts the U.S. directly into a contentious territorial contest in East Asia, in which, until now, the U.S. has avoided overtly taking sides.’


    China replies
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...inese-state-ne
    'A war between the United States and China is “inevitable” unless Washington stops demanding Beijing halt its construction projects in the South China Sea, a Chinese state-owned newspaper warns.
    “If the United States’ bottom line is that China has to halt its activities, then a US-China war is inevitable in the South China Sea,” The Global Times, an influential newspaper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper the People’s Daily, said in an editorial Monday.'


    Will America back down? Possibly the idea will be shelved, or it might end in a stalemate. America will sail through the South China seas as it’s entitled to do but keeping well away from the islands and stick it’s tongue out and China will boast it didn’t intervene because it didn’t come near the islands. Face saved on both sides and everyone goes home happy.
    The alternative is that America does intrude on the islands in which case China will react. The loss of face, which are often grounds for suicide in Asia, will force them to do so.

    An alternative view
    http://rt.com/news/257841-russia-china-us-hegemony/
    "The White House is determined to block the rise of the key nuclear-armed nations, Russia and China, neither of whom will join the "world’s acceptance of Washington’s hegemony," says head of the Institute for Political Economy, Paul Craig Roberts.
    Dr Roberts believes that neither Russia, nor China will meanwhile accept the so-called "vassalage status accepted by the UK, Germany, France and the rest of Europe, Canada, Japan and Australia." According to the political analyst, the "price of world peace is the world’s acceptance of Washington’s hegemony."


    I think what America increasingly has to accept is that there are two new kids on the block called Russia and China and both have threatened to use nuclear weapons. China is not in opposition to a U.S. military presence in places like Japan or South Korea, but like Putin with the Ukraine and now China with the islands dispute, both are increasingly drawing red lines of their own in their own backyards.
    What on Earth makes you think Russia and China are "new kids" to nuclear weapons?

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What on Earth makes you think Russia and China are "new kids" to nuclear weapons?
    I didn’t say they were new kids to nuclear weapons, whatever made you say that?

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    Sandwiched between the usual banal topics of gay marriage and Ferguson, is a U.S. threat to send ships and aircraft to the South China sea over the disputed islands. America claims that the dispute is about territorial rights in the sea itself and China says it’s about the islands themselves.

    Do you, like me, get a feeling of a possible big catastrophe coming in the not too distant future?

    An American response
    China cautions U.S. Navy on patrols in South China Sea - CNNPolitics.com
    ‘Washington (CNN)—The U.S. is considering deploying aircraft and ships to contest Chinese claims to disputed islands in the South China Sea, U.S. officials said Wednesday.
    Options are on the table to fly surveillance aircraft and sail Navy ships nearby in a move that puts the U.S. directly into a contentious territorial contest in East Asia, in which, until now, the U.S. has avoided overtly taking sides.’


    China replies
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...inese-state-ne
    'A war between the United States and China is “inevitable” unless Washington stops demanding Beijing halt its construction projects in the South China Sea, a Chinese state-owned newspaper warns.
    “If the United States’ bottom line is that China has to halt its activities, then a US-China war is inevitable in the South China Sea,” The Global Times, an influential newspaper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper the People’s Daily, said in an editorial Monday.'


    Will America back down? Possibly the idea will be shelved, or it might end in a stalemate. America will sail through the South China seas as it’s entitled to do but keeping well away from the islands and stick it’s tongue out and China will boast it didn’t intervene because it didn’t come near the islands. Face saved on both sides and everyone goes home happy.
    The alternative is that America does intrude on the islands in which case China will react. The loss of face, which are often grounds for suicide in Asia, will force them to do so.

    An alternative view
    ?'Nuclear war our likely future': Russia & China won't accept US hegemony, Reagan official warns ? RT News
    "The White House is determined to block the rise of the key nuclear-armed nations, Russia and China, neither of whom will join the "world’s acceptance of Washington’s hegemony," says head of the Institute for Political Economy, Paul Craig Roberts.
    Dr Roberts believes that neither Russia, nor China will meanwhile accept the so-called "vassalage status accepted by the UK, Germany, France and the rest of Europe, Canada, Japan and Australia." According to the political analyst, the "price of world peace is the world’s acceptance of Washington’s hegemony."


    I think what America increasingly has to accept is that there are two new kids on the block called Russia and China and both have threatened to use nuclear weapons. China is not in opposition to a U.S. military presence in places like Japan or South Korea, but like Putin with the Ukraine and now China with the islands dispute, both are increasingly drawing red lines of their own in their own backyards.
    So to the bolded. If anything other than that happens, then we've got very dangerous people all the way around steering events.
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    it's fairly unlikely that China is going to nuke one of its largest markets.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    As I have been saying for some time now, China and Russia have vocalised their objections to a US dominated uni-polar world, citing global security concerns. They also have somewhat declared the need to push back on it. Dr. Roberts is no doubt right in pointing out that the White House seems determined to block the rise of these two key nuclear powers, while the two of them are not willing to join the worlds acceptance of Washington's hegemony.
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