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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The last time was 2 years ago. Before that was 2011. Before that was 2005.

    Russa and China have been threatening nuclear war since before 1964, and were in fact the reason for the No First Use treaty.


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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The last time was 2 years ago. Before that was 2011. Before that was 2005.

    Russa and China have been threatening nuclear war since before 1964, and were in fact the reason for the No First Use treaty.
    The dates of a threat to the U.S. from Russia or China in 2005 and 2011 I’m not aware of. Could you provide links please? Two years ago would have been leading up to the Ukraine crisis.
    P.S. China only had its first nuclear test in 1964, it didn't even have a delivery system in those days.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    Sandwiched between the usual banal topics of gay marriage and Ferguson, is a U.S. threat to send ships and aircraft to the South China sea over the disputed islands. America claims that the dispute is about territorial rights in the sea itself and China says it’s about the islands themselves.

    Do you, like me, get a feeling of a possible big catastrophe coming in the not too distant future?

    An American response
    China cautions U.S. Navy on patrols in South China Sea - CNNPolitics.com
    ‘Washington (CNN)—The U.S. is considering deploying aircraft and ships to contest Chinese claims to disputed islands in the South China Sea, U.S. officials said Wednesday.
    Options are on the table to fly surveillance aircraft and sail Navy ships nearby in a move that puts the U.S. directly into a contentious territorial contest in East Asia, in which, until now, the U.S. has avoided overtly taking sides.’


    China replies
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...inese-state-ne
    'A war between the United States and China is “inevitable” unless Washington stops demanding Beijing halt its construction projects in the South China Sea, a Chinese state-owned newspaper warns.
    “If the United States’ bottom line is that China has to halt its activities, then a US-China war is inevitable in the South China Sea,” The Global Times, an influential newspaper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper the People’s Daily, said in an editorial Monday.'


    Will America back down? Possibly the idea will be shelved, or it might end in a stalemate. America will sail through the South China seas as it’s entitled to do but keeping well away from the islands and stick it’s tongue out and China will boast it didn’t intervene because it didn’t come near the islands. Face saved on both sides and everyone goes home happy.
    The alternative is that America does intrude on the islands in which case China will react. The loss of face, which are often grounds for suicide in Asia, will force them to do so.

    An alternative view
    ?'Nuclear war our likely future': Russia & China won't accept US hegemony, Reagan official warns ? RT News
    "The White House is determined to block the rise of the key nuclear-armed nations, Russia and China, neither of whom will join the "world’s acceptance of Washington’s hegemony," says head of the Institute for Political Economy, Paul Craig Roberts.
    Dr Roberts believes that neither Russia, nor China will meanwhile accept the so-called "vassalage status accepted by the UK, Germany, France and the rest of Europe, Canada, Japan and Australia." According to the political analyst, the "price of world peace is the world’s acceptance of Washington’s hegemony."


    I think what America increasingly has to accept is that there are two new kids on the block called Russia and China and both have threatened to use nuclear weapons. China is not in opposition to a U.S. military presence in places like Japan or South Korea, but like Putin with the Ukraine and now China with the islands dispute, both are increasingly drawing red lines of their own in their own backyards.
    It is going to be quite rough in the next years as relative power shifts more and more and a multi polar structure emerges. And it is going to be painful and will very probably end in nuclear war. What in this context might seem surprising is that such a global conflict need not be between the USA and Russia or China. It can easily develop out of skirmishes in the Himalaya or border controversies along the European southern rim. Coalitions and alliances will shift and change as the situation begins to resemble pre ww1 history. So at least the theory of non-cooperative games might let us expect.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    The dates of a threat to the U.S. from Russia or China in 2005 and 2011 I’m not aware of. Could you provide links please?
    I'm sure you're capable of using Google just as I did. Don't be lazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    P.S. China only had its first nuclear test in 1964, it didn't even have a delivery system in those days.
    And you think that's relevant to the discussion how?

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    China and Russia are not new players, this is not China's first threat of nuclear war to the US or of war in general. China has had designs on those islands for a very long time.
    Last edited by Jerry; 05-30-15 at 06:17 AM.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Is it so hard now to maintain the superpower status?
    As the economic prowess grows nations can spend more on military. This is what we see happening.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    As the economic prowess grows nations can spend more on military. This is what we see happening.
    Ashton Carter is sounding like the North Korean leader with his rhetoric.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm sure you're capable of using Google just as I did. Don't be lazy.


    And you think that's relevant to the discussion how?

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    China and Russia are not new players, this is not China's first threat of nuclear war to the US or of war in general. China has had designs on those islands for a very long time.
    ''I'm sure you're capable of using Google just as I did. Don't be lazy.''
    I don’t actually use google specifically for information, except to provide further reading, or specific dates; but your statement that China and/or Russia had previously threatened the U.S. with nuclear war in 1964 and again in 2005 threw me and so I asked for links. I looked and couldn’t find that information. By saying 1964, do you mean the Cuban blockade in 62?

    ''And you think that's relevant to the discussion how?''
    Because you keep saying:
    ‘'They've been threatening nukes since they'e had nukes, since before the Cold War.''
    ''Russa and China have been threatening nuclear war since before 1964''


    Yes, China and also a number of other countries have been arguing over these islands for a long time. I didn’t say they haven’t.
    China and Russia are new players against U.S. intervention because they have now started to challenge it.

    Don’t be so defensive I’m not trying to catch you out and I don't do the point scoring thing.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Ashton Carter is sounding like the North Korean leader with his rhetoric.
    You think so? Which phrases were you referring to?

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    China and Russia are new players against U.S. intervention because they have now started to challenge it.
    Neither are new players regarding US intervention either. Neither are new regarding threataning war on the US, of threatening nuclear war on the US, of attacking the US economy, of threatening US alies so as to goad us into unessecary conflicts, of supporting our enemies, of hacking US government servers.....

    The US and China are not new in any respect. If anyone's new, it's the US.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is going to be quite rough in the next years as relative power shifts more and more and a multi polar structure emerges. And it is going to be painful and will very probably end in nuclear war. What in this context might seem surprising is that such a global conflict need not be between the USA and Russia or China. It can easily develop out of skirmishes in the Himalaya or border controversies along the European southern rim. Coalitions and alliances will shift and change as the situation begins to resemble pre ww1 history. So at least the theory of non-cooperative games might let us expect.
    Yes, I agree. Somehow these big three need to sit down together and have a good talk, learn to cooperate but that’s going to be a bitter pill for the U.S. to swallow and accept that it’s no longer the dominant lone moral guardian in the world. Britain had to go through the same transition when it lost its Empire. Together, the big three in cooperation could probably succeed in the war on terror much better than the U.S. trying to keep its dominant status.

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