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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    I didn’t say they were new kids to nuclear weapons, whatever made you say that?
    Russia and China are each older than the US, China by thousands of years, not new in any respect.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As I have been saying for some time now, China and Russia have vocalised their objections to a US dominated uni-polar world, citing global security concerns. They also have somewhat declared the need to push back on it. Dr. Roberts is no doubt right in pointing out that the White House seems determined to block the rise of these two key nuclear powers, while the two of them are not willing to join the worlds acceptance of Washington's hegemony.
    I’ll go for that view too.

    Perhaps it’s time for America to stop policing the world and become a little more isolationist and concentrate on its own internal security, in its own backyard?

    I think that what isn’t fully understood in the west is that if sanctions hit Russia hard, their answer is to tighten their belts. In China’s case, a few cities incinerated and the loss of tens of millions wouldn’t be seen as losing. Several years ago I wondered why China was building ‘ghost cities’. Now I wonder if they know something we don’t.

    The problem I think is that America has never seen real war on its own doorstep, the closest it got was 9/11 and that shocked it to the core. TV news of ‘shock and awe’ in Iraq were watched by millions sitting in a chair in the comfort of their own homes, oohing and aahing at the pretty lights and loud bangs – it was somewhere else. The U.S. is so technology advanced and reliant, that a couple of nuclear explosions on major cities and the chaos and anarchy that follows would pretty much send it back to the days of the Founding Fathers. Can you imagine the lights going out in Europe or America for more than a few hours? It’s having problems now keeping the lid on civil unrest.
    No doubt someone will pop up and say no one would dare challenge the U.S. to which I’d reply; they already have.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Russia and China are each older than the US, China by thousands of years, not new in any respect.
    I never mentioned them being older than the U.S. either.

    What I said was: 'I think what America increasingly has to accept is that there are two new kids on the block called Russia and China and both have threatened to use nuclear weapons.'

    The 'new kids on the block' refer to a new challenge and the 'both have threated to use nuclear weapons' is a threat to back up that challenge.
    Last edited by John V; 05-30-15 at 02:26 AM.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    I’ll go for that view too.

    Perhaps it’s time for America to stop policing the world and become a little more isolationist and concentrate on its own internal security, in its own backyard?

    I think that what isn’t fully understood in the west is that if sanctions hit Russia hard, their answer is to tighten their belts. In China’s case, a few cities incinerated and the loss of tens of millions wouldn’t be seen as losing. Several years ago I wondered why China was building ‘ghost cities’. Now I wonder if they know something we don’t.

    The problem I think is that America has never seen real war on its own doorstep, the closest it got was 9/11 and that shocked it to the core. TV news of ‘shock and awe’ in Iraq were watched by millions sitting in a chair in the comfort of their own homes, oohing and aahing at the pretty lights and loud bangs – it was somewhere else. The U.S. is so technology advanced and reliant, that a couple of nuclear explosions on major cities and the chaos and anarchy that follows would pretty much send it back to the days of the Founding Fathers. Can you imagine the lights going out in Europe or America for more than a few hours? It’s having problems now keeping the lid on civil unrest.
    No doubt someone will pop up and say no one would dare challenge the U.S. to which I’d reply; they already have.
    Well, that's what I'd like to see, a balance of power. It's not good for global security when there is a single superpower that can do essentially what it pleases, even if it's yours!!!
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    I never mentioned them being older than the U.S. either.

    What I said was: 'I think what America increasingly has to accept is that there are two new kids on the block called Russia and China and both have threatened to use nuclear weapons.'

    The 'new kids on the block' refer to a new challenge and the 'both have threated to use nuclear weapons' is a threat to back up that challenge.
    They aren't a new challange, though. We've been dealing with them before we bought Alaska; it's why we bought Alaska. They've been threatening nukes since they'e had nukes, since before the Cold War.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    I’ll go for that view too.

    Perhaps it’s time for America to stop policing the world and become a little more isolationist and concentrate on its own internal security, in its own backyard?

    I think that what isn’t fully understood in the west is that if sanctions hit Russia hard, their answer is to tighten their belts. In China’s case, a few cities incinerated and the loss of tens of millions wouldn’t be seen as losing. Several years ago I wondered why China was building ‘ghost cities’. Now I wonder if they know something we don’t.

    The problem I think is that America has never seen real war on its own doorstep, the closest it got was 9/11 and that shocked it to the core. TV news of ‘shock and awe’ in Iraq were watched by millions sitting in a chair in the comfort of their own homes, oohing and aahing at the pretty lights and loud bangs – it was somewhere else. The U.S. is so technology advanced and reliant, that a couple of nuclear explosions on major cities and the chaos and anarchy that follows would pretty much send it back to the days of the Founding Fathers. Can you imagine the lights going out in Europe or America for more than a few hours? It’s having problems now keeping the lid on civil unrest.
    No doubt someone will pop up and say no one would dare challenge the U.S. to which I’d reply; they already have.
    From a fellow at the CFR that agrees with me, and perhaps yourself as well:

    Our dominance is neither feasible nor desirable, and an adjustment towards a global equilibrium of burden-sharing among all capable powers is the most pressing geopolitical priority. I rarely use the words “leadership” and “primacy” as if to claim that America has any automatic right to it. In the past several years I have observed a growing tendency in China and even the relatively timid EU to think of themselves as “exceptional” in the same way we do—something that is not logically compatible with our so-called exceptionalism.

    http://www.cfr.org/world/united-stat...ynamics/p16002
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Is it so hard now to maintain the superpower status?

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    From a fellow at the CFR that agrees with me, and perhaps yourself as well:

    Our dominance is neither feasible nor desirable, and an adjustment towards a global equilibrium of burden-sharing among all capable powers is the most pressing geopolitical priority. I rarely use the words “leadership” and “primacy” as if to claim that America has any automatic right to it. In the past several years I have observed a growing tendency in China and even the relatively timid EU to think of themselves as “exceptional” in the same way we do—something that is not logically compatible with our so-called exceptionalism.

    The United States and Shifting Global Power Dynamics - Council on Foreign Relations
    I think the three of us agree.

    The U.S. has to eventually learn to respect spheres of influence. The United States, the Russian Federation and China as a dominant power in the Asian region. It’s no longer possible to police the world with regime changes, Arab springs and invasions and the other two are now using the phrase ‘Don’t tread on me’ against the U.S. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not anti-American and it’s done good things, but I think that the nationalistic view of ‘exceptionalism’ in an age of conflicting superpower interests is not going to end well.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    They aren't a new challange, though. We've been dealing with them before we bought Alaska; it's why we bought Alaska. They've been threatening nukes since they'e had nukes, since before the Cold War.
    When was the last time China threatened the U.S with a nuclear war?
    When was the last time Russia threatened the U.S with nuclear war?
    Since the Ukraine or the islands dispute, of course. That’s the new challenge.

    The U.S. bought Alaska in 1867 and not to protect itself. Russia sold it fearing Britain would take it if they went to war. Originally the U.S. didn’t even want it, but eventually bought it at a knock down price.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    When was the last time China threatened the U.S with a nuclear war?
    When was the last time Russia threatened the U.S with nuclear war?
    The last time was 2 years ago. Before that was 2011. Before that was 2005.

    Russa and China have been threatening nuclear war since before 1964, and were in fact the reason for the No First Use treaty.
    Last edited by Jerry; 05-30-15 at 03:51 AM.

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