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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    Sandwiched between the usual banal topics of gay marriage and Ferguson, is a U.S. threat to send ships and aircraft to the South China sea over the disputed islands. America claims that the dispute is about territorial rights in the sea itself and China says it’s about the islands themselves.

    Do you, like me, get a feeling of a possible big catastrophe coming in the not too distant future?

    An American response
    China cautions U.S. Navy on patrols in South China Sea - CNNPolitics.com
    ‘Washington (CNN)—The U.S. is considering deploying aircraft and ships to contest Chinese claims to disputed islands in the South China Sea, U.S. officials said Wednesday.
    Options are on the table to fly surveillance aircraft and sail Navy ships nearby in a move that puts the U.S. directly into a contentious territorial contest in East Asia, in which, until now, the U.S. has avoided overtly taking sides.’


    China replies
    Chinese State Paper Warns "War Will Be Inevitable" Unless U.S. Stops Meddling In Territorial Dispute | Zero Hedge
    'A war between the United States and China is “inevitable” unless Washington stops demanding Beijing halt its construction projects in the South China Sea, a Chinese state-owned newspaper warns.
    “If the United States’ bottom line is that China has to halt its activities, then a US-China war is inevitable in the South China Sea,” The Global Times, an influential newspaper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper the People’s Daily, said in an editorial Monday.'


    Will America back down? Possibly the idea will be shelved, or it might end in a stalemate. America will sail through the South China seas as it’s entitled to do but keeping well away from the islands and stick it’s tongue out and China will boast it didn’t intervene because it didn’t come near the islands. Face saved on both sides and everyone goes home happy.
    The alternative is that America does intrude on the islands in which case China will react. The loss of face, which are often grounds for suicide in Asia, will force them to do so.

    An alternative view
    http://rt.com/news/257841-russia-china-us-hegemony/
    "The White House is determined to block the rise of the key nuclear-armed nations, Russia and China, neither of whom will join the "world’s acceptance of Washington’s hegemony," says head of the Institute for Political Economy, Paul Craig Roberts.
    Dr Roberts believes that neither Russia, nor China will meanwhile accept the so-called "vassalage status accepted by the UK, Germany, France and the rest of Europe, Canada, Japan and Australia." According to the political analyst, the "price of world peace is the world’s acceptance of Washington’s hegemony."


    I think what America increasingly has to accept is that there are two new kids on the block called Russia and China and both have threatened to use nuclear weapons. China is not in opposition to a U.S. military presence in places like Japan or South Korea, but like Putin with the Ukraine and now China with the islands dispute, both are increasingly drawing red lines of their own in their own backyards.
    Did I miss where you have a quote where they threatened nuclear war or did you just make that up?

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    China needs us more than we need them.

    In the short run, yeah retail would be affected (including Walmart). In the long run? There's nothing China can do that can't be done just as well and just as inexpensively in India, Vietnam, or Indonesia.

    On the other hand, what would be China's long term plan if their best customer took their business elsewhere? They can't just find another USA or Western Europe to sell their stuff to.
    You can't change China Marts supplier overnight. But more importantly, why are we even talking about allowing things to escalate to such a serious crisis level with China, just to stop them from their activities on a group of tiny islands that have nothing on them?
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You can't change China Marts supplier overnight. But more importantly, why are we even talking about allowing things to escalate to such a serious crisis level with China, just to stop them from their activities on a group of tiny islands that have nothing on them?
    I'm not. My point was pretty much that a war would be mutually retarded for both sides. If for no other reason, it would be economically destructive and neither the Anericans nor the Chinese are gonna be willing to go broke and poor in order to fight a war over something totally avoidable.

    There is zero percent chance that this current incident leads to any war, let alone nuclear war.

    Russia worries me more because they have less to lose. They're already broke and poor. They're pretty much giving away oil and gas for pennies on the dollar in an attempt to befriend the Chinese, because they have already isolated themselves from everyone else. Too bad for them, the Chinese aren't idiots. They'll take the free energy, smile and shake hands, and continue getting rich by selling goods to the West where the money is.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    I understand you are frustrated by the fact that you haven't even read the things you've linked to, let alone understood what is written there. But hey, that's your problem, not mine.
    All I had to read was the summary, which pointed out exactly what I said and what you denied: That the International Court of Justice has jurisdiction over territorial disputes and that it adjudicated a dispute between Indonesia and Malaysia regarding two islands in the Sulawesi Sea. That's the only purpose for the link and all I really care about. I mean, are you seriously claiming that this body does not have jurisdiction of disputes like this?
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm not. My point was pretty much that a war would be mutually retarded for both sides. If for no other reason, it would be economically destructive and neither the Anericans nor the Chinese are gonna be willing to go broke and poor in order to fight a war over something totally avoidable.

    There is zero percent chance that this current incident leads to any war, let alone nuclear war.

    Russia worries me more because they have less to lose. They're already broke and poor. They're pretty much giving away oil and gas for pennies on the dollar in an attempt to befriend the Chinese, because they have already isolated themselves from everyone else. Too bad for them, the Chinese aren't idiots. They'll take the free energy, smile and shake hands, and continue getting rich by selling goods to the West where the money is.
    Well, it seems that China's not going to back off their activities in the SCS, so, unless the US backs off theirs, this most certainly can lead to a war.
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, articulate for me China's claims to the Spratly islands?
    Why? Is there a point here?
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Why? Is there a point here?
    Well yeah, that you don't know what constitutes China's title to the Spratly's..
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well yeah, that you don't know what constitutes China's title to the Spratly's..
    And why is what I know or don't know about China's claim relevant to the fact that the Chinese don't appear eager to have the matter adjudicated?
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Did I miss where you have a quote where they threatened nuclear war or did you just make that up?
    I take it you’re not really aware of current news then. Let me bring you up to date.

    The world is facing a growing threat of nuclear war - Business Insider
    ‘The world is facing a growing threat of nuclear war.’


    America: Obama Threatens China with Nuclear Weapons. Militarization of Asia-Pacific | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
    ‘A Monday released statement recklessly said Washington intends using nuclear and conventional weapons to defend Japan if necessary.
    “Central to (its Asia policy) is the ironclad US commitment to the defense of Japan, through the full range of US military capabilities, including nuclear and conventional,” it said.’


    China: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...inese-state-ne
    ‘Chinese State Paper Warns "War Will Be Inevitable" Unless U.S. Stops Meddling In Territorial Dispute.’

    Russia: Russia fury: Vladimir Putin threatens nuclear showdown over interference in Ukraine | World | News | Daily Express
    ‘Vladimir Putin threatens NUCLEAR showdown over the West's interference in Ukraine.’

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm not. My point was pretty much that a war would be mutually retarded for both sides. If for no other reason, it would be economically destructive and neither the Anericans nor the Chinese are gonna be willing to go broke and poor in order to fight a war over something totally avoidable.

    There is zero percent chance that this current incident leads to any war, let alone nuclear war.

    Russia worries me more because they have less to lose. They're already broke and poor. They're pretty much giving away oil and gas for pennies on the dollar in an attempt to befriend the Chinese, because they have already isolated themselves from everyone else. Too bad for them, the Chinese aren't idiots. They'll take the free energy, smile and shake hands, and continue getting rich by selling goods to the West where the money is.
    I suspect you have covered all the bases on this one, Peter. I agree with you.

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