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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    There is nothing new here. If you are more than 20 years old, you will remember that some similar issue pops up with regards to China about once per decade. China has shot down Anerican planes before. This will blow over.

    Also, the idea that there are "new kids on the block" is one I disagree with. Russia is hardly a "new kid." We had a Cold War for decades, they were the world's other superpower.

    Rather than being a country on the rise, Russia lost the Cold War, and they are substantially weaker today than they were 20 years ago. You think that defying the West on Ukraine makes them strong....just think that 20 years ago Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union and if Russia wanted to march tanks around Kiev, the West would have said nothing.

    The situation in Ukraine, therefore, only shows how weak Russia currently is. In the past, the USSR could influence far away countries like Venezuela, Cuba, and Chile. Today, they can barely influence Ukraine...located in their back yard and once a part of their own country.


    As far as China is concerned, China depends on the West, especially the USA, to buy the stuff they manufacture. If China goes to war with the U.S., all we have to do is halt any imports from China and the Chinese economy is finished.

    The cooperation between the USA and China is the most important bilateral relationship in the world, both sides know that. Neither side will allow this to escalate. This is simply another scare, as happens every so often with China.
    I’m 60. I can’t think of any American planes China shot down since Vietnam.
    The ‘new kid on the block’ is a reference to a country now openly challenging the U.S.
    The cold war ended decades ago, Russian military strength and technology is increasing, not decreasing, it’s why they’re able to challenge, just like China.
    The Ukraine is a battleground of competing dominance. Russia, v the European Union and the U.S. The EU and the U.S. were out manoeuvred by Russia and sent packing. That hurt and the response is sanctions and moving NATO closer to its borders. Russia is still there, the EU and the U.S. are not. The world is changing, it’s just something to get used to.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    I’m 60. I can’t think of any American planes China shot down since Vietnam.
    The ‘new kid on the block’ is a reference to a country now openly challenging the U.S.
    The cold war ended decades ago, Russian military strength and technology is increasing, not decreasing, it’s why they’re able to challenge, just like China.
    The Ukraine is a battleground of competing dominance. Russia, v the European Union and the U.S. The EU and the U.S. were out manoeuvred by Russia and sent packing. That hurt and the response is sanctions and moving NATO closer to its borders. Russia is still there, the EU and the U.S. are not. The world is changing, it’s just something to get used to.
    Openly challenging the U.S. is not a new thing though. Heck, the Cubans have been openly challenging the U.S. for decades, are they a superpower?

    The Iranians have been.

    The Russians have never really stopped openly challenging the US. Their stature in the world is diminished...we already defeated them in the Cold War, however many in Russia are unhappy about that and wish to regain their old glory. Regardless, Ukraine shows how weak Russia really is. 20 years ago, Ukraine was a part of the USSR, and Russia's influence in Ukraine was unquestioned or unchallenged.

    Today, Ukraine may become an EU and NATO member. The Western powers are asserting their dominance in Russia's backyard, and Russia is clawing and scratching to try to stop it.

    Russia has no money. Russia has no military. Russia has no cultural influence in the world. They are not on the rise, they are in a steep decline.

    The Russians are trying to cling to the leg of the Chinese, who actually are on the rise. Hopefully the Chinese don't make a stupid mistake and foresake a relationship with the USA for Russia.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

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    Guess again.
    Ok, articulate for me China's claims to the Spratly islands?
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    There is nothing new here. If you are more than 20 years old, you will remember that some similar issue pops up with regards to China about once per decade. China has shot down Anerican planes before. This will blow over.

    Also, the idea that there are "new kids on the block" is one I disagree with. Russia is hardly a "new kid." We had a Cold War for decades, they were the world's other superpower.

    Rather than being a country on the rise, Russia lost the Cold War, and they are substantially weaker today than they were 20 years ago. You think that defying the West on Ukraine makes them strong....just think that 20 years ago Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union and if Russia wanted to march tanks around Kiev, the West would have said nothing.

    The situation in Ukraine, therefore, only shows how weak Russia currently is. In the past, the USSR could influence far away countries like Venezuela, Cuba, and Chile. Today, they can barely influence Ukraine...located in their back yard and once a part of their own country.


    As far as China is concerned, China depends on the West, especially the USA, to buy the stuff they manufacture. If China goes to war with the U.S., all we have to do is halt any imports from China and the Chinese economy is finished.

    The cooperation between the USA and China is the most important bilateral relationship in the world, both sides know that. Neither side will allow this to escalate. This is simply another scare, as happens every so often with China.
    To the bolded. That's funny dude. Walmart is the largest corporation in the world, and there's a reason why it's affectionately referred to as "China Mart". Halt Chinese imports and watch what happens to the US economy.
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    [QUOTE=Peter Grimm;1064678478]Openly challenging the U.S. is not a new thing though. Heck, the Cubans have been openly challenging the U.S. for decades, are they a superpower?

    The Iranians have been.

    The Russians have never really stopped openly challenging the US. Their stature in the world is diminished...we already defeated them in the Cold War, however many in Russia are unhappy about that and wish to regain their old glory. Regardless, Ukraine shows how weak Russia really is. 20 years ago, Ukraine was a part of the USSR, and Russia's influence in Ukraine was unquestioned or unchallenged.

    Today, Ukraine may become an EU and NATO member. The Western powers are asserting their dominance in Russia's backyard, and Russia is clawing and scratching to try to stop it.

    Russia has no money. Russia has no military. Russia has no cultural influence in the world. They are not on the rise, they are in a steep decline.

    The Russians are trying to cling to the leg of the Chinese, who actually are on the rise. Hopefully the Chinese don't make a stupid mistake and foresake a relationship with the USA for Russia.[/QUOTE]

    That ship done sailed bro.
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Openly challenging the U.S. is not a new thing though. Heck, the Cubans have been openly challenging the U.S. for decades, are they a superpower?

    The Iranians have been.

    The Russians have never really stopped openly challenging the US. Their stature in the world is diminished...we already defeated them in the Cold War, however many in Russia are unhappy about that and wish to regain their old glory. Regardless, Ukraine shows how weak Russia really is. 20 years ago, Ukraine was a part of the USSR, and Russia's influence in Ukraine was unquestioned or unchallenged.

    Today, Ukraine may become an EU and NATO member. The Western powers are asserting their dominance in Russia's backyard, and Russia is clawing and scratching to try to stop it.

    Russia has no money. Russia has no military. Russia has no cultural influence in the world. They are not on the rise, they are in a steep decline.

    The Russians are trying to cling to the leg of the Chinese, who actually are on the rise. Hopefully the Chinese don't make a stupid mistake and foresake a relationship with the USA for Russia.
    Challenging America dominance militarily face to face is a new thing. Boasts from countries like Iran and North Korea are bluff, arguably with advances in technology, Russia and China aren’t bluffs.

    No one defeated Russia militarily, the cold war ended because Russia collapsed of its own accord. It could well have gone the other way with a pressing of the button. Of course Russia is upset about it; the humiliation was the same as the Americans felt in Vietnam.

    The Russians are not ‘clawing and scratching’, they drew red lines and sent the EU and the U.S oil/gas pipeline sniffers packing. There is no western dominance there, they’ve gone and are now stamping their feet from a safe distance.

    Russia has no money or military power? You are joking aren’t you? Yes, of course sanctions hurt, but it’s the American economy that is collapsing:
    http:/http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/
    or militarily
    The Russian Air Force's Super Weapon: Beware the PAK-FA Stealth Fighter | The National Interest
    or co-operation
    China Joins Forces With Russia Against U.S.

    Whilst you were playing at achieving equality and gay rights, the other superpowers were doing other things.
    Russia is already doing deals with China; China has entered into a new agreement to buy Russian gas and oil, they’ve both abandoned the dollar, opened the New Development Bank (NDB) . . . and are now openly challenging American dominance within their own spheres of interest.

    Conspiracy theory or fact? It could be either, but it’s all over the internet and I can’t find any official denials.
    What frightened the USS Donald Cook so much in the Black Sea?
    ‘On 10 April 2014, the USS Donald Cook entered the waters of the Black Sea and on 12 April a Russian Su-24 tactical bomber flew over the vessel triggering an incident that, according to several media reports, completely demoralized its crew, so much so that the Pentagon issued a protest.’

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the bolded. That's funny dude. Walmart is the largest corporation in the world, and there's a reason why it's affectionately referred to as "China Mart". Halt Chinese imports and watch what happens to the US economy.
    China needs us more than we need them.

    In the short run, yeah retail would be affected (including Walmart). In the long run? There's nothing China can do that can't be done just as well and just as inexpensively in India, Vietnam, or Indonesia.

    On the other hand, what would be China's long term plan if their best customer took their business elsewhere? They can't just find another USA or Western Europe to sell their stuff to.

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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    I’m 60. I can’t think of any American planes China shot down since Vietnam.
    The ‘new kid on the block’ is a reference to a country now openly challenging the U.S.
    The cold war ended decades ago, Russian military strength and technology is increasing, not decreasing, it’s why they’re able to challenge, just like China.
    The Ukraine is a battleground of competing dominance. Russia, v the European Union and the U.S. The EU and the U.S. were out manoeuvred by Russia and sent packing. That hurt and the response is sanctions and moving NATO closer to its borders. Russia is still there, the EU and the U.S. are not. The world is changing, it’s just something to get used to.
    It's amazing the scale on which both the Russians and Chinese have doubled down on their focus of military growth. Both nations began, about the time of our latest military adventurism in the Middle East, to sharply increase their military budgets, modernizing their militaries. They both have pushed back on our Middle East policies and they both are forging alliances that are a direct result of USFP. They also both have criticized the US dominated uni-polar world, pointing out that it is a threat to global security and that they aim to push back on it. It's dangerous to dismiss the possibilities of hostilities with these two nations.
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    In my view, as long as America retains conventional weapons and non-nuclear superiority, it will always rule the seas and the airways. Just as Russia throughout the cold war often threatened nuclear war but never acted, China will as well. China sees, as many do, a weak President in Washington and is taking that opportunity to flex its muscles, as Russia has done in the Ukraine. Should America, with Japan and other allies, stand up to China in the South China seas, China will look for a way to save face and retreat.
    china nor russia is dumb enough to use nuclear war as it is predicted to have no winners,and everyone losers so long as the mad doctrine is in effect,meaning the only way to win a nuclear war is to fight a non nuclear country.that too may backfire as lets say nuking iran may cause russia to retalliate with nukes due to it being so close to russia,causing it fear.


    the country to fear is south korea,as it does not seem to fear the effects of the mad doctrine,and it is a starving nation with little to lose if their gamble fails.
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    Re: China threatens nuclear war with U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    Challenging America dominance militarily face to face is a new thing. Boasts from countries like Iran and North Korea are bluff, arguably with advances in technology, Russia and China aren’t bluffs.

    No one defeated Russia militarily, the cold war ended because Russia collapsed of its own accord. It could well have gone the other way with a pressing of the button. Of course Russia is upset about it; the humiliation was the same as the Americans felt in Vietnam.

    The Russians are not ‘clawing and scratching’, they drew red lines and sent the EU and the U.S oil/gas pipeline sniffers packing. There is no western dominance there, they’ve gone and are now stamping their feet from a safe distance.

    Russia has no money or military power? You are joking aren’t you? Yes, of course sanctions hurt, but it’s the American economy that is collapsing:
    http:/http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/
    or militarily
    The Russian Air Force's Super Weapon: Beware the PAK-FA Stealth Fighter | The National Interest
    or co-operation
    China Joins Forces With Russia Against U.S.

    Whilst you were playing at achieving equality and gay rights, the other superpowers were doing other things.
    Russia is already doing deals with China; China has entered into a new agreement to buy Russian gas and oil, they’ve both abandoned the dollar, opened the New Development Bank (NDB) . . . and are now openly challenging American dominance within their own spheres of interest.

    Conspiracy theory or fact? It could be either, but it’s all over the internet and I can’t find any official denials.
    What frightened the USS Donald Cook so much in the Black Sea?
    ‘On 10 April 2014, the USS Donald Cook entered the waters of the Black Sea and on 12 April a Russian Su-24 tactical bomber flew over the vessel triggering an incident that, according to several media reports, completely demoralized its crew, so much so that the Pentagon issued a protest.’
    Not new at all. You said you were 60 years old. Don't you know of all the proxy wars the USA and USSR fought during the cold War? Ever heard of Georgia? Or from the Chinese....you ever hear of Taiwan? China has been openly threatening war with the Usa over Taiwain since the PRC took over in China

    Nothing new at all.

    As for Ukraine, if Russia is so powerful then why have they not managed to take Ukraine? Kiev is still independent, and the main part of the country will go to the EU/NATO inevitably.

    This would have been unthinkable 20 years ago. Russia has lost a great deal of power and influence.

    Russia, a declining country, has nothing to lose from acting up. Their economy, their military, and their social influence are a fraction of what they were in the 80's.

    China, on the other hand, are legitimately on the rise. They are also not stupid. They are wealthier today than they have been in hundreds of years...and the reason is they have trading partners in the west who buy a lot of their merchandise.

    There is zero percent chance China damages their relationship with the West in order to get in bed with the declining, defeated Russians. That would be stupid in epic proportions. All the good things that have happened for China since the 70's would go away overnight. Nobody is that idiotic.

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