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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Hmm.

    This alleged victim is unidentified.
    Hasert withdrew 1.7 million of his OWN money (I'm assuming that it's all his) to pay him off.

    ??

    Why didn't this victim - at any age or point in the last 30 years - never once report him / speak up / take a stand / destroy him publicly? [Well - I guess clearly he was blackmailing him instead].

    I would have taken the golden opportunity to smear his face all over the world - and still get a huge settlement.
    Yeah, I agree, that's why I said this'll be interesting. The fact that Haster lied to the FIB says a lot though, I don't think he's flippin houses. As to the victim reporting, it's not that easy. There are a lot of factors of fear, humiliation and home life that can play into a result. I think that it's like the Bill Cosby thing.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Hmm.

    This alleged victim is unidentified.
    Hasert withdrew 1.7 million of his OWN money (I'm assuming that it's all his) to pay him off.

    ??

    Why didn't this victim - at any age or point in the last 30 years - never once report him / speak up / take a stand / destroy him publicly? [Well - I guess clearly he was blackmailing him instead].

    I would have taken the golden opportunity to smear his face all over the world - and still get a huge settlement.

    Some people just like to watch others sweat, particularly if it is a person of power.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    A psychologist or psychiatrist could speak to this more, but I think it's likely that those who are ashamed of being gay or bisexual and attracted to teenage males, which is different from being a pedophile, likely aspire to or try to hide behind those who oppose gay and bisexual activity. It's no different from gay or bisexual priests, as an example. As a result, when they are found out, they appear hypocritical. When you try to hide in a forest, you look for trees to hide behind. And when you're attracted to young men, you sometimes become a teacher or other childcare professional. You may think there are a lot of Republicans involved in such activity,
    Oh, I agree it's not pedophilia (more like ephebephile/teleiophile).


    but the vast majority of teachers are Democrats and there are far more teachers caught in such actions than politicians.
    Well, there are also far more teachers than there are politicians, so that isn't really a fair assessment. And usually those actions involve someone of the opposite sex. This is not to say preying on a student of the opposite sex is morally better than preying on the same sex (it is not) but I think the obsession with homosexuality comes from something deeper and these Republican sex scandals are very revealing.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    we were speaking more broadly to the "I can't believe that someone who recognizes the importance of the family as the basic building block of society would ever do something wrong" genre.
    No sane person is anti-family. Liberals just recognize that families don't have to be strictly 1 mom, 1 dad, 2.5 kids, and a dog. The outrage is over socially conservative politicians who try to legislate against people who want to keep contracts between consenting adults illegal.

    I remember back when a cheating congressman stepped down during the Clinton sex scandal. Republicans said he did the right and noble thing. Assuming he is guilty, why didn't Hastert do the same? Did he just happen to get amnesia in the late 90s?


    Mind you, we did have the case a while back where folks tried to minimize it because it was a lesbian encounter.
    I have no doubt that would have occurred. Imo, abuse of power is still abuse of power, whether gay or straight.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Oh, I agree it's not pedophilia (more like ephebephile/teleiophile).




    Well, there are also far more teachers than there are politicians, so that isn't really a fair assessment. And usually those actions involve someone of the opposite sex. This is not to say preying on a student of the opposite sex is morally better than preying on the same sex (it is not) but I think the obsession with homosexuality comes from something deeper and these Republican sex scandals are very revealing.
    Having retired from a long career on the legal/policy/privacy side of education, I can tell you that most if not the vast majority of teachers preying on students choose same sex victims. Education, unlike politics today, has a long and deep history of burying any such impropriety, shuffling teachers between schools and boards and basically allowing teachers to resign quietly rather than call the police for prosecution. You just don't hear that much about it.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Wow, doctor.
    That's some thorough analysis.
    So if you're pro-life, you've had abortions ... if you're anti-drug, you're a user ... if you're in PETA, you're a hunter ... if you make posts accusing a political group of something, you're guilty of it yourself.
    hmmm, maybe that last one has some merit.

    I can give samples.. For example.. look at a number of the televangalist preachers. Ted Haggard comes into mind. George Rekker. Dennis Hasert.

    And, when it comes to certain sexual behaviors, I can point to peer reviewed research link
    Knee-jerk anti-government sentiment is not a viable political philosophy.

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    My mistake - I didn't realize that in the US you lack the free will to live your own life as you choose. I didn't realize that conservatives were "imposing" a lifestyle on others. I know there are certain conservatives, not unlike most liberals, who believe they know better how you should live your life and particularly how you should spend your own money, but still when did they get the power to dictate to you how you must live? Conservatives here in Canada are basically of the belief that the government should keep out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms. It's a good philosophy.
    THere are different kinds of conservatives in the U.S. The social conservatives want to enforce their morality by force of law.
    Knee-jerk anti-government sentiment is not a viable political philosophy.

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Having retired from a long career on the legal/policy/privacy side of education, I can tell you that most if not the vast majority of teachers preying on students choose same sex victims.
    Link? I work in education and have never heard this claim before.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    THere are different kinds of conservatives in the U.S. The social conservatives want to enforce their morality by force of law.
    Textbook example: Rick Santorum.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The US military routinely vets 18 year olds to a muuuuuuuch greater degree than they do most of the people in Congress, or their staff. One wonders if Hasert would have made it past a real FBI clearance check.

    ****ing Washington, man.
    risky, he was vetted by a majority of the voting public
    again proving we deserve the politicians we elect

    i would wish the fourth estate was more interested in ferreting out unethical behaviors
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