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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Did I say that? Did I claim to be a spokesperson for all conservatives? I provided my own opinion - do you have one?
    Yes, in the U.S.. the people who are most often vocal about certain things that are wrong often are trying to convince themselves, and are indulging in that activity. That's much rarer in Canada (but not unknown).

    You might make that 'conservatives don't impose on others what they don't do themselves', but history has shown that is not true.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    I have no use for Hastert, but the laws he broke are ridiculous: he withdrew his own money for a purpose that wasn't illegal. This is just a hatchet job.

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen.Seven View Post
    I have no use for Hastert, but the laws he broke are ridiculous: he withdrew his own money for a purpose that wasn't illegal. This is just a hatchet job.
    That is a good point. If it is your money you should have the right to put it under your mattress if you want to.

    These actions of repeated withdraw of large amount of monies does activate red lights at the bank. That may be a little bit of Big Brother but my bank years ago let me know that someone had my credit card and was purchasing items in another town. That red light may indicate someone being extorted which is what appears to be happening here.

    Proving his guilt or innocence from an action years ago is almost impossible. False accusations occur and sexual abuse also occurs. It is a tough one. Jerry Sandusky still maintains his innocence as well as Cosby does.

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Hmm.

    This alleged victim is unidentified.
    Hasert withdrew 1.7 million of his OWN money (I'm assuming that it's all his) to pay him off.

    ??

    Why didn't this victim - at any age or point in the last 30 years - never once report him / speak up / take a stand / destroy him publicly? [Well - I guess clearly he was blackmailing him instead].

    I would have taken the golden opportunity to smear his face all over the world - and still get a huge settlement.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Yes, in the U.S.. the people who are most often vocal about certain things that are wrong often are trying to convince themselves, and are indulging in that activity.
    That's much rarer in Canada (but not unknown).

    You might make that 'conservatives don't impose on others what they don't do themselves', but history has shown that is not true.
    Wow, doctor.
    That's some thorough analysis.
    So if you're pro-life, you've had abortions ... if you're anti-drug, you're a user ... if you're in PETA, you're a hunter ... if you make posts accusing a political group of something, you're guilty of it yourself.
    hmmm, maybe that last one has some merit.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Yes, in the U.S.. the people who are most often vocal about certain things that are wrong often are trying to convince themselves, and are indulging in that activity. That's much rarer in Canada (but not unknown).

    You might make that 'conservatives don't impose on others what they don't do themselves', but history has shown that is not true.
    My mistake - I didn't realize that in the US you lack the free will to live your own life as you choose. I didn't realize that conservatives were "imposing" a lifestyle on others. I know there are certain conservatives, not unlike most liberals, who believe they know better how you should live your life and particularly how you should spend your own money, but still when did they get the power to dictate to you how you must live? Conservatives here in Canada are basically of the belief that the government should keep out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms. It's a good philosophy.
    A Canadian conservative is one who believes in limited government and that the government should stay out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms.

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen.Seven View Post
    I have no use for Hastert, but the laws he broke are ridiculous: he withdrew his own money for a purpose that wasn't illegal. This is just a hatchet job.
    I appreciate your position and don't disagree. However, as a lawmaker, Hastert must know the law and know that he was breaking it. As a lawmaker, he could have been an agent of change with respect to that law. As an individual, he broke the law. We don't get to pick and choose which laws apply to us and which don't - unless, apparently, you're the President and have puppets in your Justice Department.
    A Canadian conservative is one who believes in limited government and that the government should stay out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms.

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen.Seven View Post
    I have no use for Hastert, but the laws he broke are ridiculous: he withdrew his own money for a purpose that wasn't illegal. This is just a hatchet job.
    No, those laws are crime-fighting tools. He intentionally evaded them. and, lo and behold. What have we here? Blackmail, extortion, tax evasion, accusations of child abuse. Had he just paid the guy and either paid the requisite gift tax OR given the guy a 1099, no harm no foul. Every business person in the United States is aware of those IRS regulations. Oh, wait if he'd done all that, his blackmailer would probably have come forward. Needless to say, everyone's in trouble now...


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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well of course the money is the issue, he was structuring to avoid reporting requirements and then lied to the FBI about it, no doubt about the money.

    I just am not willing to jump on the bandwagon and call him a perv yet, sex abuse allegations are by nature difficult to disprove and they can be the kiss of death to a political career. It is very plausible to pay someone hush money even of they're not guilty. Remember Cosby payed significant amounts of money to a young woman who claimed he had fathered her, until she got too greedy and he demanded a paternity test, she disappeared quickly
    Without knowing if he is guilty or not of sexual abuse of a former student, I think it is obvious he is an idiot.
    If he is innocent then he is an idiot agreeing to pay a blackmailer 3 million dollars and not going to the police.
    If he is guilty then he is a stupid idiot for using his position for his sexual gratification.

    He is an idiot.

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Right, because the bar is set so incredibly high when it comes to sexual abuse of a student.
    we were speaking more broadly to the "I can't believe that someone who recognizes the importance of the family as the basic building block of society would ever do something wrong" genre.


    Mind you, we did have the case a while back where folks tried to minimize it because it was a lesbian encounter.
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