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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Another day, another Republican sex scandal.....

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's fair - I don't like anyone preaching to me about anything to do with the personal lives of individuals. But speaking of how you choose to live and what you believe in personally is fine, and strangely expected in American politics. Here in Canada, we don't give a rats ass what religion or personal life choices a politician makes but seems in America, a politicians personal life is dissected completely and held up for criticism. Here, the spouse of the Prime Minister is virtually invisible, unlike your First Lady. You seem to want to elect a "family", not hire someone for a job. When you do that, people tend to promote their family as a model and then they get in trouble.
    I wish it were like that here. And frankly I am sick and tired of folks out Jesus-ing others here (and that is not exclusive to the Republicans. Both sided pander.

    I don't want to elect a family. I want the job to get done.

    Clinton (for all of his personal flaws) seemed to get the job done. Let Hillary give him the grief he deserved for rolling his cigar.

    I do not think anyone who helped elect him the first time had any doubts that he had a wandering eye and hands.

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's why many Canadians retire to the American southwest - here, it's been very humid off and on the past few weeks and only in the high 70's low 80's.
    Until today, it has been amazing, only one 100 degree day. But, we are expecting another insane monsoon season like last year, with El Nino. Just got to keep the roof intact for one more summer.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I think the issue is that the "family values" thing I the type of thing one should personally strive to achieve. When family values are preached - people are more concerned with how other's act. If you want to show you are family values - keep your own house in order and you do not need to announce it.

    In terms of affairs and such...they happen in real life and in political life. Unless there is something other than the affair (government secrets, underage , rape, bribery/extortion)I think the affair is a family issue.

    And frankly - the "family values" moniker is used frequently to address gay issues. Again, not applying the "family values" to themselves, but used to bash others. Family values to me - assuring that your children are safe, fed, clothed, well educated, and healthy. It has nothing to do with pointing fingers at others. It reminds me of religion in general - it should be used as a blueprint on how to run your own life - not used as a weapon to degrade others.

    But yeah, Clinton's sexual exploits were not a proud moment for him - and painful moments for his family. But as long as he wasn't screwing a kid or giving away government secrets - it was none of my concern. My concern was how this country faired under his Presidency. Pretty damned well. And frankly, he likely could be elected again if rules allowed.
    I consider the whole 'family values' ticket to be meaningless rhetoric to deflect from the actual issued. That and 'I love the constitution' are two pieces of political rhetoric that make me examine the person much closer for fraud.
    Knee-jerk anti-government sentiment is not a viable political philosophy.

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    I consider the whole 'family values' ticket to be meaningless rhetoric to deflect from the actual issued. That and 'I love the constitution' are two pieces of political rhetoric that make me examine the person much closer for fraud.
    I can understand that!

    (The whole I think thou dust protest too much thing)

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    People can believe the right things and yet still be hypocrites in the personal actions they take. And don't forget, weakness of character is not limit to those who believe in the value of family and a moral lifestyle.

    I always find it funny when people throw up the "wonderful family values politician" line. It's as if the actions of the individual would have been acceptable if only they didn't believe in the strength of families. Perhaps that's why so many modern day liberals love to ridicule wayward conservatives and yet still hold up President Clinton as a model and cherish his Presidency. I suppose if you have
    no morals you can be easily excused for acting immorally.
    An oldie that is never not current:

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    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    $3.5 million dollars is insane. But being a lobbyist that is small change.

    If one is a creationist, why oh why did your God make the human orgasm more powerful that meth. Clinton succumb to it. Even Einstein is reportedly had a little romp with Marilyn Monroe.

    The only difference between Meth and Sexual Affairs is that with Sexual Affairs you usually don't lose your teeth.

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I seem to have more respect for the average American than you do. In a country of well over 300 million people, I don't consider Denny Hastert to be the exemplar.
    I have great respect for Americans, but not right-wing politicians and Haster is yet another example of why. The man's a hypocrite of the first order. If he wasn't so high and mighty, he'd just be a creep. There was another who got busted in a men's room. If they just stop trying to hide who they are we'll all get along better.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    An oldie that is never not current:

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    I don't remember any Dems being child molesters...
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Was there ever any doubt? Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, pays $3.5M to somebody they didn't ass rape.
    Really? Even an allegation can end someone's career. Just ask Washingon senator Brock Adams about that, the allegations were never proven against Adams and he denies them, but he abandoned a reelection bid over them.

    Hastert could've paid him off just to avoid allegations.... There is no proof of actual sex abuse here, none will be prosecuted either
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