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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

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    Why would you want it to disappear? Perhaps you prefer unfettered decadence.
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    Dude, it was a farce to begin with and obviously still is. It's rhetorical and has no real meaning, as we can see by this example.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    (chuckle)

    Dude, it was a farce to begin with and obviously still is. It's rhetorical and has no real meaning, as we can see by this example.
    I seem to have more respect for the average American than you do. In a country of well over 300 million people, I don't consider Denny Hastert to be the exemplar.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

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    Why thank you. I hope you have a terrific weekend.
    I will, should be 108 by Sunday. Glad I have a pool.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    I will, should be 108 by Sunday. Glad I have a pool.
    108? Ugh. But it's a dry heat, right
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    People can believe the right things and yet still be hypocrites in the personal actions they take. And don't forget, weakness of character is not limit to those who believe in the value of family and a moral lifestyle.

    I always find it funny when people throw up the "wonderful family values politician" line. It's as if the actions of the individual would have been acceptable if only they didn't believe in the strength of families. Perhaps that's why so many modern day liberals love to ridicule wayward conservatives and yet still hold up President Clinton as a model and cherish his Presidency. I suppose if you have no morals you can be easily excused for acting immorally.
    I think the issue is that the "family values" thing I the type of thing one should personally strive to achieve. When family values are preached - people are more concerned with how other's act. If you want to show you are family values - keep your own house in order and you do not need to announce it.

    In terms of affairs and such...they happen in real life and in political life. Unless there is something other than the affair (government secrets, underage , rape, bribery/extortion)I think the affair is a family issue.

    And frankly - the "family values" moniker is used frequently to address gay issues. Again, not applying the "family values" to themselves, but used to bash others. Family values to me - assuring that your children are safe, fed, clothed, well educated, and healthy. It has nothing to do with pointing fingers at others. It reminds me of religion in general - it should be used as a blueprint on how to run your own life - not used as a weapon to degrade others.

    But yeah, Clinton's sexual exploits were not a proud moment for him - and painful moments for his family. But as long as he wasn't screwing a kid or giving away government secrets - it was none of my concern. My concern was how this country faired under his Presidency. Pretty damned well. And frankly, he likely could be elected again if rules allowed.

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

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    108? Ugh. But it's a dry heat, right
    Humidity 7%, which is good, I still don't have my A/C on, running a big portable evaporative cooler, only works in low humidity.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I think the issue is that the "family values" thing I the type of thing one should personally strive to achieve. When family values are preached - people are more concerned with how other's act. If you want to show you are family values - keep your own house in order and you do not need to announce it.

    In terms of affairs and such...they happen in real life and in political life. Unless there is something other than the affair (government secrets, underage , rape, bribery/extortion)I think the affair is a family issue.

    And frankly - the "family values" moniker is used frequently to address gay issues. Again, not applying the "family values" to themselves, but used to bash others. Family values to me - assuring that your children are safe, fed, clothed, well educated, and healthy. It has nothing to do with pointing fingers at others. It reminds me of religion in general - it should be used as a blueprint on how to run your own life - not used as a weapon to degrade others.

    But yeah, Clinton's sexual exploits were not a proud moment for him - and painful moments for his family. But as long as he wasn't screwing a kid or giving away government secrets - it was none of my concern. My concern was how this country faired under his Presidency. Pretty damned well. And frankly, he likely could be elected again if rules allowed.
    That's fair - I don't like anyone preaching to me about anything to do with the personal lives of individuals. But speaking of how you choose to live and what you believe in personally is fine, and strangely expected in American politics. Here in Canada, we don't give a rats ass what religion or personal life choices a politician makes but seems in America, a politicians personal life is dissected completely and held up for criticism. Here, the spouse of the Prime Minister is virtually invisible, unlike your First Lady. You seem to want to elect a "family", not hire someone for a job. When you do that, people tend to promote their family as a model and then they get in trouble.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Humidity 7%, which is good, I still don't have my A/C on, running a big portable evaporative cooler, only works in low humidity.
    That's why many Canadians retire to the American southwest - here, it's been very humid off and on the past few weeks and only in the high 70's low 80's.
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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's fair - I don't like anyone preaching to me about anything to do with the personal lives of individuals. But speaking of how you choose to live and what you believe in personally is fine, and strangely expected in American politics. Here in Canada, we don't give a rats ass what religion or personal life choices a politician makes but seems in America, a politicians personal life is dissected completely and held up for criticism. Here, the spouse of the Prime Minister is virtually invisible, unlike your First Lady. You seem to want to elect a "family", not hire someone for a job. When you do that, people tend to promote their family as a model and then they get in trouble.
    Even your creationists are more moderate and reasonable.

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    Re: Hastert Case Is Said to Be Linked to Decades-Old Sexual Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This conservative doesn't expect anyone to live their lives by any standard they don't support themselves. This conservative believes in personal responsibility and taking ownership for your mistakes and weaknesses. This conservative doesn't throw out an entire group of people because of one person's failings. And this conservative doesn't have a major stigma about homosexuality.

    It's a shame that you revel in the failings of people and can't wait for more. This conservatives hopes for the best in people.

    That's why there are so many conservatives that support all this family value legislation, and get caught with their pants down. That's because they don't expect anybody to live up to expectations that they don't follow themselves. Right.
    Knee-jerk anti-government sentiment is not a viable political philosophy.

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