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Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

Why does that matter? Is Cuba going to invade us soon?

I can think of one that was probably worse a few hundred miles further. Haiti.

Been there for a day trip and it was an eye opener....the taxi driver we hired for the day stopped me from
throwing away our leftovers from a packed lunch, so he could eat the scraps. We tipped him well....

While there we went to visit the Baptist mission, where a friend had visited before bringing new shoes that did not sell
where she worked. She was told to burn them at a dump, but she burned only the boxes, taking the shoes to the mission.

How can we be so rich and so educated and yet be so stupid? We destroy things that the poor need, just to keep prices up.
 
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:applaud One step closer to official normalized ties! Senator Udall did say earlier this week that there will be official normalized ties in a couple weeks, and it seems that may very well be true. [/FONT][/COLOR]

meh, it's a list that lives and breathes political considerations (rather than factual considerations) more than anything else.

Bush removed North Korea from the list in order to strike some sort of deal with them... so color me unimpressed
 
meh, it's a list that lives and breathes political considerations (rather than factual considerations) more than anything else.

Bush removed North Korea from the list in order to strike some sort of deal with them... so color me unimpressed

Or they just dont actively sponsor terrorist attacks.....
 
Pointing out hypocrisy in USFP will earn you the anti-American label, but don't let that deter you!!

pointing out flaws with USFP won't buy you the label on its own... but if one insists on crapping all over the US at every opportunity while defending oppressive regimes like the Castro regime...well, they certainly won't be confused with being "pro-USA"

I don't have much against the Cuban people... it's the Castro regime I have problems with.
(then again, I have a problem with any oppressive regime...being a communist oppressive regime is just icing.)
it's an oppressive Communist country that I have direct combat experiences with and have suffered a great personal loss to.. so, well, let's just say I won't be kneeling and fellating that regime like my fellow leftist "great Americans" around here do.
 
Or they just dont actively sponsor terrorist attacks.....

supporting terrorist groups is all it's supposed to take to qualify for the list...(not sponsoring terrorist attacks)

but like i said, that list is a political tool, nothing more, nothing less.
 
supporting terrorist groups is all it's supposed to take to qualify for the list...(not sponsoring terrorist attacks)
Then the US should be on its own list.

but like i said, that list is a political tool, nothing more, nothing less.
I agree.
 
Yes, I hate this president. Or at least his ideas and direction he has set for us.

It appears like not only do you hate blacks, you also hate Hispanics. Who else do you hate?
 
supporting terrorist groups is all it's supposed to take to qualify for the list...(not sponsoring terrorist attacks)

but like i said, that list is a political tool, nothing more, nothing less.
Have to see where you really stand here. Would you put the US on a Terrorist list?
 
Been there for a day trip and it was an eye opener....the taxi driver we hired for the day stopped me from
throwing away our leftovers from a packed lunch, so he could eat the scraps. We tipped him well....

While there we went to visit the Baptist mission, where a friend had visited before bringing new shoes that did not sell
where she worked. She was told to burn them at a dump, but she burned only the boxes, taking the shoes to the mission.

How can we be so rich and so educated and yet be so stupid? We destroy things that the poor need, just to keep prices up.


That's just incredible!! Hate to hear those kinds of stories.
 
pointing out flaws with USFP won't buy you the label on its own... but if one insists on crapping all over the US at every opportunity while defending oppressive regimes like the Castro regime...well, they certainly won't be confused with being "pro-USA"

I don't have much against the Cuban people... it's the Castro regime I have problems with.
(then again, I have a problem with any oppressive regime...being a communist oppressive regime is just icing.)
it's an oppressive Communist country that I have direct combat experiences with and have suffered a great personal loss to.. so, well, let's just say I won't be kneeling and fellating that regime like my fellow leftist "great Americans" around here do.

Who's defending anything about the Castro regime. I just think that our policy didn't fix anything for 50 years, so let's try something new that may be more constructive, and may help the Cuban people.
 
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would I put the US on the US State dept list?

no, i'm not an idiot.
I said on a terrorist list, not the US state Dept. You are the head of an international institution. Do you put the US on the terrorist list?
 
Who's defending anything about the Castro regime. I just think that our policy didn't fix anything for 50 years, so let's try something new that may be more constructive, and may help the Cuban people.

got anything specific in mind.. or is rewarding the Castro regime with normalization without stipulation constructive enough?
 
You do not consider these terrorist acts?

The CIA sets up a Task Force WH-4, Branch 4 of the Western Hemisphere Division to implement President Eisenhower's request for an ambitious covert program to overthrow the Castro government.

JAN 12, 1960: Throughout the month of January, sabotage and small bombing missions in Cuba increase in frequency. A plane drops incendiary bombs in the areas of Bainoa, Caraballo, and San Antonio de Rio Blanco. Another plane coming from the north, with U.S. markings, drops inflammable material on cane fields next to the Hershey factory.

JAN 18, 1960: A plane drops live phosphorous over the cane plantations of Quemados de Guines and Rancho Veloz

JAN 21, 1960: A plane drops four one-hundred pound bombs on the urban district of Cojimar y Regla in Havana.

JAN 29-31, 1960: A plane drops incendiary phosphorous bombs on 10 districts in the area of the Chapana refinery.

FEB 1-13, 1960: Planes drop bombs burning more than 17,000 arrobas of cane in Trinidad; and other bombing attacks take place in Punta Alegre, Camaguey province, against the Adelaide refinery, and in the central España.

FEB 18, 1960: A plane trying to bomb the central España, Matanzas province, explodes in mid-air. The pilot is identified as Robert Ellis Frost, an American who carries a U.S. military identification card.

FEB 22-25, 1960: A bi-motor B-25 plane takes part in burning cane fields in Las Villas. Simultaneous incursions by planes occur in Las Villas and Matanzas provinces.

MAR 1960: The CIA begins training 300 guerrillas, initially in the U.S. and the Canal Zone. Following an agreement with President Ydígoras in June, training shifts to Guatemala. The CIA begins work to install a powerful radio station on Greater Swan Island, ninety?seven miles off the coast of Honduras.

Rafael Rivas-Vasquez sends a confidential memorandum to Artíme on "Propaganda and Psychological Warfare of the F.R.D. (Revolutionary Democratic Front) in Cuba." The goals, he writes is to make the F.R.D. known inside of Cuba, win over sectors of the country, and "break the red power through creating a mystique [to oppose Communism] based on Christian principles and the democratic traditions of our people." Propaganda will be n and by radio. Psy-ops should include a "campaign directed a demoralizing the military ...based in terror," a radio and flyer campaign to identify Castro's intelligence officials and Communist spies, promoting civic resistance, and spread the word about the resistance and its operations. Among the recommendations are to "blow up" Castro's radio station, the Voz del INRA, which is interfering with Radio Swans transmissions. "Actions and sabotage, coordinated with written and radio propaganda

MAR 4-5, 1960: Sabotage of a French ship, La Coubre, in Havana harbor, carrying arms for Cuba, kills about 100 people and wounds some 300.

MAR 17, 1960: At an Oval Office meeting with high-ranking national security officials, President Eisenhower approves a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) policy paper titled "A Program of Covert Action Against the Castro Regime." The CIA plan involves four main courses of action: (i) form a moderate opposition group in exile whose slogan will be to restore the revolution which Castro has betrayed; (ii) create a medium wave radio station to broadcast into Cuba, probably on Swan Island, south of Cuba; (iii) create a covert intelligence and action organization within Cuba responsive to the orders and directions of the exile opposition; and (iv) begin training a para?military force outside Cuba and, in a second phase, train paramilitary cadres for immediate deployment into Cuba to organize, train and lead resistance forces recruited there.

During the meeting, Eisenhower states that he knows of "no better plan" for dealing with this situation but is concerned about leakage and breach of security. He argues that everyone must be prepared to deny its existence and only two or three people should have contact with the groups involved, agitating Cubans to do most of what must be done. The President tells Mr. Dulles that he thinks he should go ahead with the plan and the operations but that "our hand should not show in anything that is done."
Just seeing where you stand on terrorism.
 
got anything specific in mind.. or is rewarding the Castro regime with normalization without stipulation constructive enough?

Was the removal of Saddam Hussein in Iraq reward enough for Iran, or was it without stipulation enough.
 
no, those aren't terrorist acts.

and I stand opposed to terrorism.

Lol. How do you fight terrorism if you don't recognize it when it hits you upside the head?
 
Lol. How do you fight terrorism if you don't recognize it when it hits you upside the head?

well, you have to start by being capable of accurately defining terrorism...something you and the other guy are most obviously having problems with.

States are not terrorists, nor do they commit terrorist acts.

a State can be a sponsor of terrorism, or a supporter of terrorist groups, but it can't be a terrorist group in and of itself.
 
Who's defending anything about the Castro regime.
I just think that our policy didn't fix anything for 50 years, so let's try something new that may be more constructive, and may help the Cuban people.

A Cuban policy started by JFK who the GOPs are now trying to steal from the DEMs as a modern-day GOP. :lamo

The only thing JFK and WJC have in common with the GOP is the "Diapers" Vitter type activity .
 
would I put the US on the US State dept list?

no, i'm not an idiot.

Are you denying that the CIA has overthrown duly elected governments around the world?

In 2017, the new President will have a huge decision as to whether to allow documents to be released.

The GOP clown BUS certainly knows this .
 
Are you denying that the CIA has overthrown duly elected governments around the world?

In 2017, the new President will have a huge decision as to whether to allow documents to be released.

The GOP clown BUS certainly knows this .

nothing you typed here has anything to do what what I said.....and i'm not about to pull my hair out figuring out what you're babbling about.
 
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