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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Normalizing relations with Cuba will salvage his legacy, hmm.
    probably not, as he only normalizing diplomatic relations...

    every other policy is still intact.. even the travel ban... and will likely remain intact for the foreseeable future.
    there's only so much Obama can do on his own.. and he's pretty much exhausted that list.

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I never said it was only about the U.S. And I'm saying that as a matter of convenience, not recognizing your own terrorism as terrorism is ridiculous. That doesn't mean it isn't. No wonder you wingers think the U.S. has never committed terrorism, just deny it and poof, it goes away.

    The Encyclopędia Britannica Online defines terrorism generally as "the systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective", and states that "terrorism is not legally defined in all jurisdictions." The encyclopedia adds that "[e]stablishment terrorism, often called state or state-sponsored terrorism, is employed by governments -- or more often by factions within governments -- against that government's citizens, against factions within the government, or against foreign governments or groups."[2]

    State terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I think it's cute you calling me a "winger"... as if your ignorance actually means anything.

    I've said my piece on the subject... it's not my fault you have a problem with state terrorism not being recognized by any country or authority on the planet... that's just something you'll have to work through on your own time.

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    probably not, as he only normalizing diplomatic relations...

    every other policy is still intact.. even the travel ban... and will likely remain intact for the foreseeable future.
    there's only so much Obama can do on his own.. and he's pretty much exhausted that list.
    So what's the big brew ha ha?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I think it's cute you calling me a "winger"... as if your ignorance actually means anything.

    I've said my piece on the subject... it's not my fault you have a problem with state terrorism not being recognized by any country or authority on the planet... that's just something you'll have to work through on your own time.
    Cute or not, it's something you'll have to bear. Ha, you haven't proven anything, I'm the one posting the citations, you....opinion, so yeah, you've had your say.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Cute or not, it's something you'll have to bear. Ha, you haven't proven anything, I'm the one posting the citations, you....opinion, so yeah, you've had your say.
    why would i have to "bear" your false assertion?...your lies carry no burden for me to bear.

    again, asking me to prove a negative is bad form.. I can't prove something doesn't exist....
    it is simple fact that State Terrorism is not legally recognized domestically or internationally by anyone.... period.

    this is a very easy concept to grasp...and you're not a dumb guy....you'll eventually understand.

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So what's the big brew ha ha?
    it's mostly blown out of proportion on both sides....so it's more of a brewha rather than a big brewhahaha.

    any change of substance has to go through Congress.... which we both know won't happen anytime soon....(there are lots of Democrats who don't even want to give up our policies.)

    so in all reality, this is more political symbolism than anything else.... unfortunately, the symbol we are giving is a pat on the back to the Castro regime.

    as for my personal opinion... i'd 100% normalize relations and trader... but only with a guarantees of wide spread liberalizing of the entire country.
    then again, i'm really not into validating or rewarding oppressive undemocratic corrupt regimes.

    but i'm not a unreasonable guy... if I'm allowed to kill both Castro brothers, in the manner of my choosing, without fear of prosecution... i'd be much more accepting of any normalization terms.

    compromise is where it's at.

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Asking that question makes me think you have no problems being best buds with dictators
    Official diplomatic relations does not make one "best buds".
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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Is China not?
    That matters how? We are talking about Cuba. China is irrelevant.

    Technically we "dont need anything from anyone". But I can think of a lot of benefits..
    Again, irrelevant.

    What have they dont in the past 20 years to the US? Other than say, "can we end the embargo now?".
    Not sure what you mean, but it's irrelevant.

    Liberalization of the economy, releasing prisoners, and offering assistance to us during several natural disasters and terrorist attacks
    Who cares? Irrelevant.

    Why? The impact of trade sounds pretty good. I thought you guys were all over "free markets" and such..
    You seem to be saying that if you are for free trade, then you MUST have free trade with every nation. Is that your point, because it is ridiculous.

    You must of missed the past 15+ years of reform in the country...
    Oh, let's hear about it! Freedom of speech? Fair and open elections? No

    We did strike. We blockade (act of war), and had CIA backed forces invade the country.
    Oh, do you have any idea why?
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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    That matters how? We are talking about Cuba. China is irrelevant.
    No its not. Im using your reasoning and logic and applying to a country ran by a Communist Party who can also be said to have a police state. So whats the difference?


    Again, irrelevant.
    Again. No its not. Im using your reasoning and logic.

    Not sure what you mean, but it's irrelevant.
    You claimed they "are not friendly to us". So I'm simply saying, how are they not friendly? All they have done the past 20 years is sit there as a country and ask for the embargo to end.

    Who cares? Irrelevant.
    Well saying that the US has made this one of their primary demands, and that we usually see this as a market opening and we judge much of our trade and economic policies on liberalized and liberalizing economies.... One would cause that a change...

    You seem to be saying that if you are for free trade, then you MUST have free trade with every nation. Is that your point, because it is ridiculous.
    No. I am not for Free Trade. I'm simply giving reasons for openings.

    Oh, let's hear about it! Freedom of speech? Fair and open elections? No
    Again acting like the US gives a **** about these issues. Funny joke.

    Oh, do you have any idea why?
    Yea I told you literally in the post you just quoted. Re-read it.
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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    why would i have to "bear" your false assertion?...your lies carry no burden for me to bear.

    again, asking me to prove a negative is bad form.. I can't prove something doesn't exist....
    it is simple fact that State Terrorism is not legally recognized domestically or internationally by anyone.... period.

    this is a very easy concept to grasp...and you're not a dumb guy....you'll eventually understand.
    I proved you wrong on that. You proved nothing.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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