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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Why shouldn't it .
    Because we dont apply it to other countries... Thus making the precondition meaningless.


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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So whats the reasoning behind Cuba? Because you reasoning of, "well they dont have a good human rights record" is quite hypocritical, especially when held up to A LOT of countries we do business with...
    They are a communist police state, we don't need anything from them, they are not friendly towards us, they have done nothing to deserve normalization, they harbor fugitives, and it's not in the best interests of our nation to do so. I could go on, but hopefully, you get the picture.


    What have they done since the cold war not to?
    They have done nothing to change their ways, so why should we foolishly help them stay in power?


    You know what they say to this: "You tried to overthrow our government. Invade us. Had plans to kill our leader 638 times. Blockaded us (which technically is a declaration of war).
    Really? They had nukes pointed at us. You bet your ass we'll blockade, invade, whatever it takes to secure our nation. Sorry, align with Russia and point nuclear weapons at us, be prepared to pay the consequenses. They are lucky we didn't decide to make a first strike and knock them out.

    Had the UN on a 23rd almost unanimous vote tell the US to end the blockade. Occupied part of our land. Harbored a terrorist who murdered 73 innocent Cubans. Spread anti-Cuban rhetoric throughout Cuba. Send numerous spies be them direct CIA or via 'USAID' (which has admittley been used as a spy program in Cuba).". So I guess one can say Cubas actions are in "defense" of their basic sovereignty, no?
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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    They are a communist police state,
    Is China not?

    we don't need anything from them,
    Technically we "dont need anything from anyone". But I can think of a lot of benefits..

    they are not friendly towards us,
    What have they dont in the past 20 years to the US? Other than say, "can we end the embargo now?".

    they have done nothing to deserve normalization,
    Liberalization of the economy, releasing prisoners, and offering assistance to us during several natural disasters and terrorist attacks?

    they harbor fugitives,
    So do we.

    and it's not in the best interests of our nation to do so.
    Why? The impact of trade sounds pretty good. I thought you guys were all over "free markets" and such..

    I could go on, but hopefully, you get the picture.
    Your picture is incredibly hypocritical and stuck in cold war era mentality.

    They have done nothing to change their ways, so why should we foolishly help them stay in power?
    You must of missed the past 15+ years of reform in the country...

    Really? They had nukes pointed at us.
    Bay of pigs happened before the famous Cuban Missile Crisis.
    But if your trying to justify your position of we should not engage in basic diplomatic relations because of a hostile event that happened 50+ years ago, then wow... You really are stuck in this cold war era thinking.

    You bet your ass we'll blockade, invade, whatever it takes to secure our nation.
    No no no no no. That whole policy wasnt about "securing our nation". Hell we were friendly with Castro government for sometime following the revolution. Eisenhower even recognized them as the legitimate government. It wasnt until land reform started to happen did disagreements come about. Then it was nationalization that broke the camels back. Embargo implemented, invasion of Cuba, several attempts on Castro's life, etc. The Cuban Missile Crisis came after all this had occurred. This was not in defense of our nation at all. If anything Cuba would be the one saying what they did was "in defense", after-all it is what they claimed. None of those actions were about "security" it was about a government pissing off multinational corporations.

    Sorry, align with Russia and point nuclear weapons at us, be prepared to pay the consequenses.
    Those were not consequences, because the actions all took place before the Cuban Missile Crisis not as a result of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    They are lucky we didn't decide to make a first strike and knock them out.
    We did strike. We blockade (act of war), and had CIA backed forces invade the country.


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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuatara View Post
    Thrilla doesn't think acts of terorism include:

    -burning crops
    -dropping bombs
    -propaganda & psychological warfare
    -training & supplying arms to terrorists
    -attacking ships, factories and other unprovoked targets
    -sabotage through bombs and other explosives
    -doing all these acts covertly


    Now let's just say America is not a military might anymore and some country decided to do the exact same things to the US. Still don't think it's terrorism.
    If done by a non-State actor... those would surely be terrorist acts.
    If done by a State actor, they would not be considered terrorism.

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    A state can absolutely carry out acts of terrorism. Who's defining this as you see it, show me.
    nobody recognizes State terrorism as a legal doctrine, not even the UN.

    covert military actions by a state can possibly be determined to be acts of war, or actions in violations of certain pacts or treaties... but they are not held accountable to antiterrorism statutes anywhere.

    States can support terrorist groups...but they can't be a terrorist group....states can support/sponsor terrorist acts... but they can't commit terrorist acts.
    that goes for any recognized state on the planet.

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Because we dont apply it to other countries... Thus making the precondition meaningless.
    that's an interesting legal doctrine... one that no one applies, ever, anywhere.. about anything.

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    If done by a non-State actor... those would surely be terrorist acts.
    If done by a State actor, they would not be considered terrorism.
    That's ridiculous. Who made that rule, who's definition? An act of terrorism is just that, whether those conducting it are acting on their own accord, or by orders of the state. And the results have no difference.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    nobody recognizes State terrorism as a legal doctrine, not even the UN.

    covert military actions by a state can possibly be determined to be acts of war, or actions in violations of certain pacts or treaties... but they are not held accountable to antiterrorism statutes anywhere.

    States can support terrorist groups...but they can't be a terrorist group...a.states can support/sponsor terrorist acts... but they can't commit terrorist acts.
    that goes for any recognized state on the planet.
    That's ****ing retarded, no matter who believes it to be true.

    terror
    noun ter·ror \ˈter-ər, ˈte-rər\
    : a very strong feeling of fear

    : something that causes very strong feelings of fear : something that is terrifying

    : violence that is committed by a person, group, or government in order to frighten people and achieve a political goal.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terror
    Last edited by Montecresto; 06-05-15 at 02:11 PM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's ridiculous. Who made that rule, who's definition? An act of terrorism is just that, whether those conducting it are acting on their own accord, or by orders of the state. And the results have no difference.
    I don't care about your personal opinion on the matter... I'm speaking legalities.

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's an interesting legal doctrine... one that no one applies, ever, anywhere.. about anything.
    Never said it was a "legal doctrine".


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