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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    pointing out flaws with USFP won't buy you the label on its own... but if one insists on crapping all over the US at every opportunity while defending oppressive regimes like the Castro regime...well, they certainly won't be confused with being "pro-USA"

    I don't have much against the Cuban people... it's the Castro regime I have problems with.
    (then again, I have a problem with any oppressive regime...being a communist oppressive regime is just icing.)
    it's an oppressive Communist country that I have direct combat experiences with and have suffered a great personal loss to.. so, well, let's just say I won't be kneeling and fellating that regime like my fellow leftist "great Americans" around here do.
    Who's defending anything about the Castro regime. I just think that our policy didn't fix anything for 50 years, so let's try something new that may be more constructive, and may help the Cuban people.
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuatara View Post
    Have to see where you really stand here. Would you put the US on a Terrorist list?
    would I put the US on the US State dept list?

    no, i'm not an idiot.

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    would I put the US on the US State dept list?

    no, i'm not an idiot.
    I said on a terrorist list, not the US state Dept. You are the head of an international institution. Do you put the US on the terrorist list?

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Who's defending anything about the Castro regime. I just think that our policy didn't fix anything for 50 years, so let's try something new that may be more constructive, and may help the Cuban people.
    got anything specific in mind.. or is rewarding the Castro regime with normalization without stipulation constructive enough?

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuatara View Post
    I said on a terrorist list, not the US state Dept. You are the head of an international institution. Do you put the US on the terrorist list?
    nope.

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    nope.
    You do not consider these terrorist acts?

    The CIA sets up a Task Force WH-4, Branch 4 of the Western Hemisphere Division to implement President Eisenhower's request for an ambitious covert program to overthrow the Castro government.

    JAN 12, 1960: Throughout the month of January, sabotage and small bombing missions in Cuba increase in frequency. A plane drops incendiary bombs in the areas of Bainoa, Caraballo, and San Antonio de Rio Blanco. Another plane coming from the north, with U.S. markings, drops inflammable material on cane fields next to the Hershey factory.

    JAN 18, 1960: A plane drops live phosphorous over the cane plantations of Quemados de Guines and Rancho Veloz

    JAN 21, 1960: A plane drops four one-hundred pound bombs on the urban district of Cojimar y Regla in Havana.

    JAN 29-31, 1960: A plane drops incendiary phosphorous bombs on 10 districts in the area of the Chapana refinery.

    FEB 1-13, 1960: Planes drop bombs burning more than 17,000 arrobas of cane in Trinidad; and other bombing attacks take place in Punta Alegre, Camaguey province, against the Adelaide refinery, and in the central España.

    FEB 18, 1960: A plane trying to bomb the central España, Matanzas province, explodes in mid-air. The pilot is identified as Robert Ellis Frost, an American who carries a U.S. military identification card.

    FEB 22-25, 1960: A bi-motor B-25 plane takes part in burning cane fields in Las Villas. Simultaneous incursions by planes occur in Las Villas and Matanzas provinces.

    MAR 1960: The CIA begins training 300 guerrillas, initially in the U.S. and the Canal Zone. Following an agreement with President Ydígoras in June, training shifts to Guatemala. The CIA begins work to install a powerful radio station on Greater Swan Island, ninety?seven miles off the coast of Honduras.

    Rafael Rivas-Vasquez sends a confidential memorandum to Artíme on "Propaganda and Psychological Warfare of the F.R.D. (Revolutionary Democratic Front) in Cuba." The goals, he writes is to make the F.R.D. known inside of Cuba, win over sectors of the country, and "break the red power through creating a mystique [to oppose Communism] based on Christian principles and the democratic traditions of our people." Propaganda will be n and by radio. Psy-ops should include a "campaign directed a demoralizing the military ...based in terror," a radio and flyer campaign to identify Castro's intelligence officials and Communist spies, promoting civic resistance, and spread the word about the resistance and its operations. Among the recommendations are to "blow up" Castro's radio station, the Voz del INRA, which is interfering with Radio Swans transmissions. "Actions and sabotage, coordinated with written and radio propaganda

    MAR 4-5, 1960: Sabotage of a French ship, La Coubre, in Havana harbor, carrying arms for Cuba, kills about 100 people and wounds some 300.

    MAR 17, 1960: At an Oval Office meeting with high-ranking national security officials, President Eisenhower approves a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) policy paper titled "A Program of Covert Action Against the Castro Regime." The CIA plan involves four main courses of action: (i) form a moderate opposition group in exile whose slogan will be to restore the revolution which Castro has betrayed; (ii) create a medium wave radio station to broadcast into Cuba, probably on Swan Island, south of Cuba; (iii) create a covert intelligence and action organization within Cuba responsive to the orders and directions of the exile opposition; and (iv) begin training a para?military force outside Cuba and, in a second phase, train paramilitary cadres for immediate deployment into Cuba to organize, train and lead resistance forces recruited there.

    During the meeting, Eisenhower states that he knows of "no better plan" for dealing with this situation but is concerned about leakage and breach of security. He argues that everyone must be prepared to deny its existence and only two or three people should have contact with the groups involved, agitating Cubans to do most of what must be done. The President tells Mr. Dulles that he thinks he should go ahead with the plan and the operations but that "our hand should not show in anything that is done."
    Just seeing where you stand on terrorism.

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuatara View Post
    You do not consider these terrorist acts?

    Just seeing where you stand on terrorism.
    no, those aren't terrorist acts.

    and I stand opposed to terrorism.

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Forgetting history gets you what?
    So should we cease trade with the Germans because of the Nazis? Moving forward is not forgetting history.
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
    "When we live authentically we create an opportunity for others to walk out of their dark prisons of pretend into freedom."

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    got anything specific in mind.. or is rewarding the Castro regime with normalization without stipulation constructive enough?
    Was the removal of Saddam Hussein in Iraq reward enough for Iran, or was it without stipulation enough.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Cuba officially off U.S. terror blacklist

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no, those aren't terrorist acts.

    and I stand opposed to terrorism.
    Lol. How do you fight terrorism if you don't recognize it when it hits you upside the head?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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