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    Vladimir Putin declares all Russian military deaths state secrets

    Vladimir Putin declares all Russian military deaths state secrets

    The Guardian
    28 May 2015

    Vladimir Putin has declared that all military deaths will be classified as state secrets not just in times of war but also in peace – a move that activists worry might further discourage the reporting of Russian soldiers’ deaths in Ukraine. The Russian president has amended a decree to extend the list of state secrets to include information on casualties during special operations when war has not been declared, among other changes. Previously, the list had only forbidden “revealing personnel losses in wartime”. He has repeatedly denied any involvement of Russian troops in a pro-Russian rebellion in Ukraine.
    Putin's “No Russian forces in eastern Ukraine” lie is unraveling and so the truth is now criminalized.

    Putin Classifying Troop Losses Proves They're in Ukraine – Analysts

    The Moscow Times
    May 28 2015

    Legal amendments introduced Thursday that classify as state secrets any losses sustained during peacetime special operations are further confirmation of Russia's direct involvement in the Ukraine conflict, legal and military experts told The Moscow Times. The amendments, signed by President Vladimir Putin, make "information disclosing the loss of personnel … during special operations in peacetime" a classified state secret.

    Putin has repeatedly denied any involvement of Russian troops in the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. Asked to explain Putin's move Thursday, his spokesman Dmitry Peskov had no immediate comment, Reuters reported. Military servicemen who are killed, injured or go missing can be considered military losses, meaning their relatives will be forced to keep information about their deaths a secret, lawyers said Thursday. "Even a death notification sent to parents or other relatives [of a soldier] can be considered a secret under this decree," Ivan Pavlov, a leading lawyer in the field of government transparency who has successfully defended treason suspects, told The Moscow Times.

    The federal list of what constitutes a state secret can be accessed publicly, but government agencies also compile their own lists that are themselves usually classified. Moreover, what the Defense Ministry classifies as a secret could be considered open information by the Interior Ministry, Pavlov said. "If a citizen, for instance a journalist, obtains information that is considered a state secret, they face prison. The main consequence of this law is that it will basically be impossible to obtain information."

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    Re: Vladimir Putin declares all Russian military deaths state secrets

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    Vladimir Putin declares all Russian military deaths state secrets



    Putin's “No Russian forces in eastern Ukraine” lie is unraveling and so the truth is now criminalized.

    Putin Classifying Troop Losses Proves They're in Ukraine – Analysts
    "No news is good news", a Russian expression?

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    Re: Vladimir Putin declares all Russian military deaths state secrets

    In other shocking news, it has become realized that Putin is a cold war thinking, secretive, imperialistic, aristocratic, paranoid, narcissistic lunatic.

    And in the weather today...
    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people." - Penn Jillette.

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    Re: Vladimir Putin declares all Russian military deaths state secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    In other shocking news, it has become realized that Putin is a cold war thinking, secretive, imperialistic, aristocratic, paranoid, narcissistic lunatic.

    And in the weather today...
    Cloudy in Ukraine with a chance of some dead Russians, too bad now that even the weather is going to have to be censored.
    -----MOS 19D = cavalry scout = best damn MOS there is

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    Re: Vladimir Putin declares all Russian military deaths state secrets

    Iirc, they did something similar when they invaded Afghanistan.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Vladimir Putin declares all Russian military deaths state secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Vladimir Putin declares all Russian military deaths state secrets



    Putin's “No Russian forces in eastern Ukraine” lie is unraveling and so the truth is now criminalized.

    Putin Classifying Troop Losses Proves They're in Ukraine – Analysts
    I don't see that Putin has any higher regard for "the rule of law" or international law then Bush or Obama have shown.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Under international law, Ukraine cannot charge Russian soldiers with terrorism!!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Vladimir Putin declares all Russian military deaths state secrets

    Russian Military Insignia Are Reported in Ukraine

    New York Times
    May 29, 2015

    International monitors tracking cease-fire violations in eastern Ukraine reported Friday that they had encountered four people wearing military uniforms with Russian insignia in a town about 25 miles southeast of the regional capital of Donetsk, which is controlled by pro-Russian separatists.
    OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine - 28 May 2015
    OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine
    May 29, 2015

    In Petrivske (“DPR”-controlled, 38km south-east of Donetsk) the SMM spoke to a young man who said that the former local holiday camp was currently occupied by an unknown armed group. He could not specify for how long this armed group had been stationed in the village. In the village the SMM spoke to two women, both wearing military uniforms, with caps with Russian Federation Armed Forces insignia. They said that they were from Kramatorsk. During the conversation with the two women a vehicle with Russian Federation number plates stopped next to the OSCE vehicles and two armed men, similarly dressed, exited the car and ordered the women to stop the conversation with the SMM. Behind a tall fence inside the holiday camp, the SMM observed one infantry fighting vehicle.
    Putin's lies continue to unravel.

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