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    Re: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert indicted by federal grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hey, acknowledging crime, regardless of the guys party is good!
    Exactly why conservatives dont like big govt. They understand that power corrupts.

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    Re: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert indicted by federal grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    if proven true then

    1. he should serve the time required.
    2. he should lose his pension.

    somehow I doubt he will lose his pension though but he should.

    committing a crime is committing a crime no matter if you are a congressmen or not.

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    Re: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert indicted by federal grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    It's early.

    As far as corruption in DC goes I remember the Jack Abramoff affair. The guy was dirty as hell, many thought then that there would be a clean-up in DC after he nd many dirty GOP politicians got caught. Was there? Nope, not even a ripple. And I'm not bringing that up because Abramoff was a Republican lobbyist greasing the palms of Republican politicians, because IMO the Dems were more to blame for nothing getting done in cleaning up DC. The Dems didn't raise a stink, they didn't hold the GOP's feet to the fire concerning Abramoff. Why? Because the Dems and their lobbyists are just as dirty.

    There's too much money in our politics nowadays. These guys don't get into politics to govern, many get in to get rich. The foxes are watching the hen house, so nothing will get done.
    And they certainly didnt make a stink when Norman Hsu was financing the clintons with foreign money. Liberals and Conservatives arent defending unethical behavior. The partisans are. Because they care most about winning, not HOW you win.

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    Re: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert indicted by federal grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    I read here often that only Dems are dirty and corrupt.

    Both sides are dirty as hell but I do find it funny when conservatives point to the Kennedy's and the Clinton's but think their side's corruption is on a lesser scale.
    wrong. dem's just defend the corruption instead of doing something about it.

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    Re: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert indicted by federal grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    wrong. dem's just defend the corruption instead of doing something about it.
    Yeah, I hear a lot of the "all politicians lie." defense coming from the left lately, usually in defense of the Clinton scandals.

    If Hastert is guilty then he should go to jail.
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    Re: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert indicted by federal grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yeah, I hear a lot of the "all politicians lie." defense coming from the left lately, usually in defense of the Clinton scandals.

    If Hastert is guilty then he should go to jail.
    look at all the scandals. that have happened with democratic candidates all over the place. they don't condemn what the person did. they defend it.
    why I don't know.

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    Re: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert indicted by federal grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    look at all the scandals. that have happened with democratic candidates all over the place. they don't condemn what the person did. they defend it.
    why I don't know.
    Yeah that's why I said BOTH sides are dirty as hell.. And why in another post when talking the Abramoff scandal I put MORE blame on the Dems for nothing getting fixed. This shouldn't be an opportunity for either side to point fingers at the other, but here you are trying to make this into a partisan issue.

    Politicians KNOW they don't have to clean up politics because 1 side will always point to the other side and say they are dirtier, even though both sides are dirtier then hell.
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    Re: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert indicted by federal grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Yeah that's why I said BOTH sides are dirty as hell.. And why in another post when talking the Abramoff scandal I put MORE blame on the Dems for nothing getting fixed. This shouldn't be an opportunity for either side to point fingers at the other, but here you are trying to make this into a partisan issue.

    Politicians KNOW they don't have to clean up politics because 1 side will always point to the other side and say they are dirtier, even though both sides are dirtier then hell.
    Im pointing fingers at the voters who keep electing them, and Americans who want govt to take care of them cradle to grave. Politicians are just doing whats natural to them. This is just another example of why we need to stop giving the govt power.

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    Re: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert indicted by federal grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Seems the only crime that is evident is that Hastert didn't keep the government up to date on what he was doing with his own money. Since these laws are in place to track and prosecute crimes related to drug dealing, etc., where's the specific underlying crime that Hastert is guilty of.

    The strong innuendo in the story is that Hastert sexually assaulted or had illicit sexual relations with a student under his care while a teacher and coach earlier in life. In order to make their case, seems the feds will have to get this individual to testify against Hastert. It seems likely that this individual hasn't reported the Hastert payments as income and paid taxes on them and perhaps the investigation started at that source trying to determine where and how this individual got the money.

    Bottom line, Hastert appears to have stupidly believed he could hide and cover up his past misdeeds. He's going to be out the money, potentially serving time, and having his secret exposed for all to see. Simply having a lawyer work up a confidential agreement between himself and this other party would have been the best route.

    Seems to me, the only reason he wouldn't have done so is because the misconduct was homosexual in nature. It's a pity that in this day and age many gay or bisexual men are still so consumed by a sense of personal guilt around their sexuality that they will do such stupid things.
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    Re: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert indicted by federal grand jury

    seems to me this should be an easy case for him to win, as a influential, wealthy person
    all he must do to prove he told the authorities no lies is to have about $1.6 million in cash to show the judge that what he said was true. that he kept the money - ostensibly, because he did not trust the banking system. thus, no lie will have been expressed to the government
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