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Centrist George Pataki Tests Republican Waters With White House Bid

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Three-term former New York Gov. George Pataki declared he is running for the Republican presidential nomination on Thursday, in a bid that will test the Republican electorate's interest in a centrist who led a heavily Democratic state.

Read the article here:Centrist George Pataki Tests Republican Waters With White House Bid - WSJ

This will test the capacity of the GOP clown car.

Does that thing have any capacity limit? :roll:

:lol:
 
If the GOP were a functional political party, Pataki would be a formidable opponent.
 
If the GOP were a functional political party, Pataki would be a formidable opponent.

How is it that the GOP can be so irresistible a force in congressional elections and yet a wash-out in presidential?
 
A centrist such as Pataki doesn't have a chance in the world in today's Republican party. He must be running for VP or a cabinet position.
 
Three-term former New York Gov. George Pataki declared he is running for the Republican presidential nomination on Thursday, in a bid that will test the Republican electorate's interest in a centrist who led a heavily Democratic state.

Read the article here:Centrist George Pataki Tests Republican Waters With White House Bid - WSJ

This will test the capacity of the GOP clown car.

Does that thing have any capacity limit? :roll:

:lol:

He's here in NH this morning doing his first official campaign stop. I've met him and actually am quite intrigued. He isn't a social conservative. He's pro-SSM and even supports some gun control. He has an uphill climb here (he's said that he'll focus most of his attention in NH) but I think he's attention-worthy. He's slightly closer to my preferred Jon Huntsman than most who've declared.
 
How is it that the GOP can be so irresistible a force in congressional elections and yet a wash-out in presidential?



In presidential elections all of the voters are voting for or against one person. Nationwide the USA's demographics don't favor the GOP.
 
He's here in NH this morning doing his first official campaign stop. I've met him and actually am quite intrigued. He isn't a social conservative. He's pro-SSM and even supports some gun control. He has an uphill climb here (he's said that he'll focus most of his attention in NH) but I think he's attention-worthy.
He's slightly closer to my preferred Jon Huntsman than most who've declared.



I would think about voting for Pataki.

That's probably the main reason why he won't be the candidate.
 
Three-term former New York Gov. George Pataki declared he is running for the Republican presidential nomination on Thursday, in a bid that will test the Republican electorate's interest in a centrist who led a heavily Democratic state.

Read the article here:Centrist George Pataki Tests Republican Waters With White House Bid - WSJ

This will test the capacity of the GOP clown car.

Does that thing have any capacity limit? :roll:

:lol:

I wish his campaign had more of a prayer. I think he is a worthy candidate and should be more highly regarded in the race than some of his 'top tier' opponents.
 
A centrist such as Pataki doesn't have a chance in the world in today's Republican party. He must be running for VP or a cabinet position.

Probably not. However, when Hillary Clinton is being called a centrist and borderline DINO and Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders becomes known as "a real liberal/progressive" Democrats don't have much room to talk about creeping radicalism.
 
How is it that the GOP can be so irresistible a force in congressional elections and yet a wash-out in presidential?

Organization and demographic impulse to vote are largely to blame.

In the recent past, it was Democrats who had an incredibly poor campaign infrastructure. That slowly changed after Howard Dean first ran and kind of came to its peak with Obama's campaign strategies.

Over time a Party's ground game not only suffers from greater political forces, but also its inability to innovate.

Expect the ping pong match to continue, despite what liberals are saying about Electoral College inevitabilities.
 
Probably not. However, when Hillary Clinton is being called a centrist and borderline DINO and Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders becomes known as "a real liberal/progressive" Democrats don't have much room to talk about creeping radicalism.

Bernie Sanders is in the race because he wants the Democratic candidates to speak about the issues he thinks the American people want to hear about.
 
Bernie Sanders is in the race because he wants the Democratic candidates to speak about the issues he thinks the American people want to hear about.

That's what every candidate says.
 
Bernie Sanders is in the race because he wants the Democratic candidates to speak about the issues he thinks the American people want to hear about.

So he doesn't really want to be President? Maybe he should let someone get in the race who wants to actually challenge Hillary Clinton and be President.
 
How is it that the GOP can be so irresistible a force in congressional elections and yet a wash-out in presidential?


My guess is the Dems are pretty poor at motivating (basically making people pissed/afraid) people to vote. Personally it feels some of the Dem narratives/sound bites/etc that do get pushed out are often delivered by people that are a bit of a turn-off to average Joe, but that's just me.

Republicans, imo, are really good at getting their sound bites out there, and really good at even getting the biggest of lies to gain enough traction people start believing it.
 
How is it that the GOP can be so irresistible a force in congressional elections and yet a wash-out in presidential?

because congressional districts are heavily gerrymandered, and that leads to noncompetitive stronghold districts on both sides. districts matter less in a presidential election.
 
How is it that the GOP can be so irresistible a force in congressional elections and yet a wash-out in presidential?

Regional appeal combined with gerrymandering. Plus, unless they have aspirations of running for president, they can be more ideologically flexible
 
Probably not. However, when Hillary Clinton is being called a centrist and borderline DINO and Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders becomes known as "a real liberal/progressive" Democrats don't have much room to talk about creeping radicalism.

Though they're both pretty liberal on social issues, Hillary is clearly centrist on economic and foriegn policy issues.
 
How is it that the GOP can be so irresistible a force in congressional elections and yet a wash-out in presidential?

You mean like the party that couldn't defeat George W. Bush?
 
because congressional districts are heavily gerrymandered, and that leads to noncompetitive stronghold districts on both sides. districts matter less in a presidential election.

Districts don't matter at all in a presidential election, except for in Maine and Nebraska.
 
Districts don't matter at all in a presidential election, except for in Maine and Nebraska.

i should have been more clear : they matter a lot in congressional elections, and almost not at all in presidential elections. if extremely partisan representatives from safe districts (state or federal) decided to make major changes to the electoral college to help the candidate of their party or used their majority to make it harder to vote, then gerrymandered districts could have an impact in that way.
 
Yes, the Congress is no longer Democrat, or hadn't you noticed?

That was the basis of the exchange. Doh! Why can Reps win Congressional seats but haven't had a credible presidential candidate for a long time.
 
That was the basis of the exchange. Doh! Why can Reps win Congressional seats but haven't had a credible presidential candidate for a long time.

And by "long time" you mean 6 years?
 
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