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Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty[W:203]

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jmotivator said:
Didn't you just call him a sociopath?
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No. He claimed to be able to kill a human being without feeling a thing.

I don't actually believe him. I think he's better than that.
 
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Anomalism said:
They killed the death penalty!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/us/nebraska-abolishes-death-penalty.html
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The death penalty itself has never bothered me . . . .
I actually wish it was expanded (rape and child rape option) and used more . . .

now with that said ANY innocent person found guilty of a crime is terrible and an innocent person being put to death is also very horrific . . .

but just like guns, cars, planes, medicine, alcohol etc etc are responsible for millions of deaths i have not ideas that they should be abolished . . .

You fix whats wrong and improve counter measurements and protocol IMO.

We have bad cops and judges . . . .we don't abolish all cops and judges we try to fix the real issue



I would be simply on board with requiring a higher level of evidence for death . . . but I see no reason to abolish it . . .
 
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Ikari said:
So keep a flawed, expensive system that innately consumes innocent life so that you have some bargaining chip? I’m not sure that makes sense. You can do what Colorado did and make the burden of proof for DP cases substantially higher and then I suppose if you have one of those “slam dunk” cases, you can still use it as a bargaining chip. But really, what happens if not? It goes to court. It’s not like these criminals get away with crimes just because the DP isn’t around.
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there's a of room between just plain old keeping it and throwing it away entirely.....
 
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Thrilla said:
there's a of room between just plain old keeping it and throwing it away entirely.....
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Yeah, but it's unnecessary and expensive and flawed. There's really no reason to keep it.
 
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Ikari said:
Yeah, but it's unnecessary and expensive and flawed. There's really no reason to keep it.
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I have doubts to it being unnecessary and expensive... but flawed?...I'm thinking more along the lines of the prior proceedings potentially being flawed, not the penalty itself.
getting rid of the penalty altogether does nothing to address any flaws... practically speaking it allows us to ignore those flaws and allows them to persist.

it's a righteous penalty for a qualifying like crime.
 
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Thrilla said:
I find it to be poor because an inclusion on a list of other countries is not a proper argument in and of itself....

an argument to it's application being potentially faulty but nonetheless permanent is a valid argument... inclusion on a list is not.
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Got it. My bad. Thought you were talking about erroneously executing innocent people.
 
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AGENT J said:
The death penalty itself has never bothered me . . . .
I actually wish it was expanded (rape and child rape option) and used more . . .

now with that said ANY innocent person found guilty of a crime is terrible and an innocent person being put to death is also very horrific . . .

but just like guns, cars, planes, medicine, alcohol etc etc are responsible for millions of deaths i have not ideas that they should be abolished . . .

You fix whats wrong and improve counter measurements and protocol IMO.

We have bad cops and judges . . . .we don't abolish all cops and judges we try to fix the real issue



I would be simply on board with requiring a higher level of evidence for death . . . but I see no reason to abolish it . . .
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Nicely done. I couldn't agree more with every point you made.
 
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Deuce said:
No. He claimed to be able to kill a human being without feeling a thing.

I don't actually believe him. I think he's better than that.
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So you didn't call him a sociopath?
 
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MickeyW said:
:roll::roll: You Clinton supporters are all alike.



Your example is as irrational as it gets! No one executes any kids and certainly not for selling pot....GET REAL!

There are many other inmates in state and federal prisons that are only there for a short time and for much lesser felonies........often times, those people are raped or murdered by the heinous animals that you bleeding hearts want to save! And many guards are assaulted and murdered by these same people.

So let's change the law, and do away with the red tape and streamline the system. I want to see the Easy Button to a Firing Squad!




You bet Drug Dealers too! They ruin lives and kill people far more than the avg. killer!
Sometimes courts and juries ignore the DNA evidence and use other evidence to convict...such as eye witness testimony, the looooooong rap sheet of the offender, or the cops and or witnesses...just plain Lie!
Look at all the lying sacks of **** in Ferguson.....against the police officer. Had that big ass punk killed that cop, instead of the cop killing him....the POS would have walked!

So, let me repeat this for you..................far fewer cases now and in the future, will have innocent people going to jail. And when it's a slam dunk.....why even bother with DNA! Examples, (1)when a person walks up to a patrol unit and executes the cops in that car in front of witnesses....................we don't need DNA!
(2)There was more than sufficient evidence to convict and execute Tim McVeigh w/o DNA.
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Simplistic hyperbolic garbage masquerading as a response.
 
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Ikari said:
Yeah, but it's unnecessary and expensive and flawed. There's really no reason to keep it.
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The penalty itself is not expensive or unnecessary but we have allowed too much red tape to make into a cluster ****. I am for reforming the penalty.
 
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cpgrad08 said:
The penalty itself is not expensive or unnecessary but we have allowed too much red tape to make into a cluster ****. I am for reforming the penalty.
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The "red tape" is what helps us reduce the number of innocent people we execute.
 
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Deuce said:
The "red tape" is what helps us reduce the number of innocent people we execute.
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Which is why I say reform and not remove. Do we really need people on DR for 20 years because of pretty much unlimited appeals?
 
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cpgrad08 said:
Which is why I say reform and not remove. Do we really need people on DR for 20 years because of pretty much unlimited appeals?
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Given the number of people exonerated before (or after) a death sentence was carried out... yes.
 
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This is great news. Too many times you hear of someone being aquitted based on new evidence and actually innocent. This is the ONLY reason needed to get rid of death penalty. Except for public servants and politicians that are found abusing their authority in gross ways with severe detriment to society, as in arranging murder and false incrimination.
 
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Deuce said:
Given the number of people exonerated before (or after) a death sentence was carried out... yes.
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So in your mind their is no crime were death is warranted?
 
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cpgrad08 said:
And those the most evil of criminals will not be probably punished in Nebraska.
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They get life without parole and all the suffering that a prison imposes on them. That is just as much punishment, maybe even more punishment than the death penalty.
 
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cpgrad08 said:
So in your mind their is no crime were death is warranted?
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It costs more money, isn't a deterrent, and sometimes the person executed is innocent.

That's enough for me to decide the government shouldn't have the authority to execute me.
 
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Thrilla said:
I have doubts to it being unnecessary and expensive... but flawed?...I'm thinking more along the lines of the prior proceedings potentially being flawed, not the penalty itself.
getting rid of the penalty altogether does nothing to address any flaws... practically speaking it allows us to ignore those flaws and allows them to persist.

it's a righteous penalty for a qualifying like crime.
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I don't find anything "righteous" about the death penalty. It is more expensive than life in prison and offers no additional benefits to society at all. There have been numerous occasions of innocent people on death row, so much so that Illinois had to call a moratorium on the DP several years ago.

So for something that pretty much has nothing but negatives, why would we keep it?
 
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cpgrad08 said:
The penalty itself is not expensive or unnecessary but we have allowed too much red tape to make into a cluster ****. I am for reforming the penalty.
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So we can do what? Kill people faster? There's a problem with innocent people on death row, killing people faster just means that you'll kill more innocent people.

What is the necessity of the DP? It's not a deterrent, it doesn't offer any additional protections than life in prison, it's expensive, and it consumes innocent life. What is so great about the DP?
 
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Ikari said:
So we can do what? Kill people faster? There's a problem with innocent people on death row, killing people faster just means that you'll kill more innocent people.

What is the necessity of the DP? It's not a deterrent, it doesn't offer any additional protections than life in prison, it's expensive, and it consumes innocent life. What is so great about the DP?
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Not meant to be a deterrent it is meant to be a punishment.
 
Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

Ikari said:
I don't find anything "righteous" about the death penalty. It is more expensive than life in prison and offers no additional benefits to society at all. There have been numerous occasions of innocent people on death row, so much so that Illinois had to call a moratorium on the DP several years ago.

So for something that pretty much has nothing but negatives, why would we keep it?
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ok.. get rid of it... it doesn't affect me whatsoever...I'm not a murderer.


....we can work towards getting rid of life sentences next... it'll be fun.
 
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