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Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty[W:203]

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Montecresto said:
Amazing that there's somebody that thinks life in prison is "getting off", lol.
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Aww man, just when I thought you were actually responding reasonably and honestly to me. My comment had exactly zero do with someone "getting off" serving a life sentence. I said that the guilty person would get off if an innocent person was convicted for the crime. That would be true whatever the sentence itself was.

No worries. Thanks for reminding me who you are.
 
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Irony here, we have some of the most sophisticated weapons on earth but cannot come up with a method to kill one person. Second we sentence them to death and one guy recently died in jail on death row 30 years after he was sentenced to die. Recall the first electrocution was a disaster and we still can't inject a guy to kill him without him convulsing and choking for 60 minutes. To me, if we have a death penalty then shoot them in the head twice. Works every time. And don't wait two or there decades to do it!!
 
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X Factor said:
Aww man, just when I thought you were actually responding reasonably and honestly to me. My comment had exactly zero do with someone "getting off" serving a life sentence. I said that the guilty person would get off if an innocent person was convicted for the crime. That would be true whatever the sentence itself was.

No worries. Thanks for reminding me who you are.
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But I am responding reasonably to you, you phrased your comment such that two of us took it that way. If that's not what you meant, there's no problem here.
 
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rhinefire said:
Irony here, we have some of the most sophisticated weapons on earth but cannot come up with a method to kill one person. Second we sentence them to death and one guy recently died in jail on death row 30 years after he was sentenced to die. Recall the first electrocution was a disaster and we still can't inject a guy to kill him without him convulsing and choking for 60 minutes. To me, if we have a death penalty then shoot them in the head twice. Works every time. And don't wait two or there decades to do it!!
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We feel that leaving a pretty corpse means it's more humane. We really want quick and painless? Bring back the guillotine.
 
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Montecresto said:
But I am responding reasonably to you, you phrased your comment such that two of us took it that way. If that's not what you meant, there's no problem here.
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Show me where I said anything about the guilty "getting off" by serving a life sentence or admit you're full of it.

You misrepresented what I said and now you won't acknowledge the "mistake" (which I doubt it was) was yours. I see no reason to waste any more time on you.
 
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The International Center for Prison Studies estimates that our death penalty has a serious race problem: 42 percent of those on death row are black, compared to less than 15 percent of the overall population. I don' think it's about race. If you know, what I mean.
 
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X Factor said:
Show me where I said anything about the guilty "getting off" by serving a life sentence or admit you're full of it.

You misrepresented what I said and now you won't acknowledge the "mistake" (which I doubt it was) was yours. I see no reason to waste any more time on you.
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Why don't you chill the **** out dude!!!!! Your post 63 looks to me (and did to someone else) that you were saying that life in prison instead of the death penalty is "getting off". I already said that if that's not what you meant, then there's no problem, what's wrong with you?
 
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rhinefire said:
Irony here, we have some of the most sophisticated weapons on earth but cannot come up with a method to kill one person. Second we sentence them to death and one guy recently died in jail on death row 30 years after he was sentenced to die. Recall the first electrocution was a disaster and we still can't inject a guy to kill him without him convulsing and choking for 60 minutes. To me, if we have a death penalty then shoot them in the head twice. Works every time. And don't wait two or there decades to do it!!
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Applauding to your words, that is exactly what I was thinking about death penalty. The even cannot (or better don't want to) create a 100% momentary weapon, I bet it is not that hard to find a way.
Sentencing for a lifetime has no sense. You either release from prison with a chance given by Law to change your life, or you have no point of living (a lot here will not agree with my point, but from my point a lifetime living in fail is not living, but existing).

No need to mention State expenses on keeping them alive, taxdollars needed for better things..
 
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MathewSmith said:
The International Center for Prison Studies estimates that our death penalty has a serious race problem: 42 percent of those on death row are black, compared to less than 15 percent of the overall population. I don' think it's about race. If you know, what I mean.
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The supporters of a strict death penalty don't give a **** about studies, they know best.
 
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Montecresto said:
Why don't you chill the **** out dude!!!!! Your post 63 looks to me (and did to someone else) that you were saying that life in prison instead of the death penalty is "getting off". I already said that if that's not what you meant, then there's no problem, what's wrong with you?
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Show me where my post says what you claim it does or admit you got it wrong (or lied). Back up your contention that I said what you said I did.

I guess we'll see how many more times you falsely tell someone I said that in this thread. I have a problem with liars and that doesn't end just because you declare there's "no problem".
 
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rhinefire said:
Irony here, we have some of the most sophisticated weapons on earth but cannot come up with a method to kill one person. Second we sentence them to death and one guy recently died in jail on death row 30 years after he was sentenced to die. Recall the first electrocution was a disaster and we still can't inject a guy to kill him without him convulsing and choking for 60 minutes. To me, if we have a death penalty then shoot them in the head twice. Works every time. And don't wait two or there decades to do it!!
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It takes time to go through appeals and sometimes even retriahttp://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/death-sentence-appeals-take-time-for-a-reason.html

So you not only shoot someone in the head once but you do it twice why do you expect the convict to live if you do it only once ? It wouldn't be a shock as the human skull is quite resilant and people have survived before , but if you expect them to live through one then it would be painful to do it twice .
 
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Gaius46 said:
Being in jail for life is hardly "getting off." And honestly talk like that sound to be more like revenge than justice.
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Montecresto said:
Amazing that there's somebody that thinks life in prison is "getting off", lol.
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Here's my post.

X Factor said:
Well nobody wants someone innocent put to death. Nobody would want a monster like I described to get off because some innocent dude died in his place.
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Show me where it says what you're claiming it said. Either of you. Back up your accusation or is this just an example of the kind of honesty we can expect from anti DPers?
 
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Gaius46 said:
That's right. The judicial system can and does make mistakes. But it is also necessary. Given those two the only reasonable things to be done are are to build the system in such a way as to minimize the number of mistakes made, though they can never be completely eliminated, and minimize the cost of those mistakes that are made. Not killing people is just such a minimization strategy.
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It minimizes certain risks and heightens others. You prefer to heighten the risk that somebody will murder again.
 
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X Factor said:
Show me where my post says what you claim it does or admit you got it wrong (or lied). Back up your contention that I said what you said I did.

I guess we'll see how many more times you falsely tell someone I said that in this thread. I have a problem with liars and that doesn't end just because you declare there's "no problem".
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Its in the god damn post you quoted, **** man, you've got issues today, seriously.
 
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Gaius46 said:
Yes it's essentially a slow death sentence but again it is preferable to actively killing them and leaves open the possibility of correcting the mistake. People do get exonerated decades after being imprisioned. That possibility is foreclosed, at least in anyway that's meaningful to the dead guy, once you kill them.
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Once they've died in prison there isn't much to be done either.
 
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MathewSmith said:
The International Center for Prison Studies estimates that our death penalty has a serious race problem: 42 percent of those on death row are black, compared to less than 15 percent of the overall population. I don' think it's about race. If you know, what I mean.
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So people should be convicted based on some sort or racial pecentage, rather than on the basis of their individual case?
 
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LeoVlaming said:
It minimizes certain risks and heightens others. You prefer to heighten the risk that somebody will murder again.
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Life in prison without pare has the same functional effect for society on whole. You're not heightening anything by any statistically significant margin by abolishing abolishing the DP.
 
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Gaius46 said:
Given your other writing here I'm honestly surprised that you feel that way. You're not concerned that the death penalty can or is misused or that innocent people risk execution?
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Yes I am concerned about that but in rare cases where it's a slam dunk case the person did it and it's a horrendous crime then the person doesn't deserve to live. Raping and then burning to death a little girl as one poster gave as an example is just the kind of crime where I don't feel anything for that person and hope they burn to death as well. I can be compassionate until someone tortures and kills human beings for their own sick pleasure.
 
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X Factor said:
Here's my post.



Show me where it says what you're claiming it said. Either of you. Back up your accusation or is this just an example of the kind of honesty we can expect from anti DPers?
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I misread your post. My apologies.
 
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americanwoman said:
Yes I am concerned about that but in rare cases where it's a slam dunk case the person did it and it's a horrendous crime then the person doesn't deserve to live. Raping and then burning to death a little girl as one poster gave as an example is just the kind of crime where I don't feel anything for that person and hope they burn to death as well. I can be compassionate until someone tortures and kills human beings for their own sick pleasure.
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There really is no such thing as a slam dunk case . The trial cost is exorbitant and not all get the actual sentence just like on this case
Death penalty on trial after McEnroe verdict shocker | The Seattle Times Which also brings up the appeals process and the things hat the victiims family will have to deal with snuck as the author had mentioned that it brings years of appeals instead of actual closure


"That’s a powerful statement. Winning on the death penalty doesn’t bring closure. It brings rounds of appeals and hearings, lasting years, all focused on the killer. So in the end why not lock him up forever, with no possibility of getting out, and try to move on."
 
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LeoVlaming said:
It minimizes certain risks and heightens others. You prefer to heighten the risk that somebody will murder again.
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Increasing the risk, if that's really the case - I don't know if it statistically is or isn't - that a murderer will murder again isn't a justification for increasing the risk that we will kill an innocent.

And any increased risk is certainly controllable.
 
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Ikari said:
Life in prison without pare has the same functional effect for society on whole. You're not heightening anything by any statistically significant margin by abolishing abolishing the DP.
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Prisoners can escape. Prisoners can attack and kill guards. Etc.

Besides, life in prison without any possibility of parole does not really exist. there is Always a possibility there will be a procedure to get somebody released.
 
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Gaius46 said:
Increasing the risk, if that's really the case - I don't know if it statistically is or isn't - that a murderer will murder again isn't a justification for increasing the risk that we will kill an innocent.

And any increased risk is certainly controllable.
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It's one risk against another. Why would one be more controllable than another?
 
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LeoVlaming said:
Prisoners can escape. Prisoners can attack and kill guards. Etc.

Besides, life in prison without any possibility of parole does not really exist. there is Always a possibility there will be a procedure to get somebody released.
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Prisoners don't escape often enough from our current Maximum Security Prisons to give any statistically significant effect.

Prison is dangerous and prisoners can kill guards, but that doesn't mean we kill everyone in prison. Instead we need to develop procedures and safety equipment to keep correction officers safe.

And Life in Prison without Parole is actually a thing that for real does exist. Yes, the case can get overturned if it turns out there wasn't sufficient evidence, if confessions were coerced, if there was wrong doing on the part of the DA; but those are even more reasons why you shouldn't kill someone.
 
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Ikari said:
Prisoners don't escape often enough from our current Maximum Security Prisons to give any statistically significant effect.

Prison is dangerous and prisoners can kill guards, but that doesn't mean we kill everyone in prison. Instead we need to develop procedures and safety equipment to keep correction officers safe.

And Life in Prison without Parole is actually a thing that for real does exist. Yes, the case can get overturned if it turns out there wasn't sufficient evidence, if confessions were coerced, if there was wrong doing on the part of the DA; but those are even more reasons why you shouldn't kill someone.
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I am not pleading for "killing everybody", just for being reasonable. And it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that some people commit crimes that warrant the death penalty.
 
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