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Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty[W:203]

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Gaius46 said:
Why is it a poor argument to you? I find it one of the most compelling arguments.

The cost of the death penalty is knowing that it can never always be applied justly and that the state will kill people in your name that did nothing to deserve it.
I'm not willing to pay that price.
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But you are OK with people being imprisoned for life and dying in prison when they did nothing to deserve it?
 
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X Factor said:
We had a Texas case where a guy lured a little girl out of a Walmart then strangled and burned her to death. I honestly don't understand how anyone could not want someone like that dead.
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Good lord he burned her to death?! wtf is wrong with people?
 
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LeoVlaming said:
But you are OK with people being imprisoned for life and dying in prison when they did nothing to deserve it?
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The name of the group escapes me, but there is a group of lawyers that work pro bono, which since the discovery of positive identification by DNA continue to go back to old cases..........last I'd heard they had been instrumental in the release of over 100 prisoners serving life for crimes they ended up not to have committed!!
 
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X Factor said:
We had a Texas case where a guy lured a little girl out of a Walmart then strangled and burned her to death. I honestly don't understand how anyone could not want someone like that dead.
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Geezus. :( I can't imagine.

The death penalty should be used sparingly, but I believe in my heart that there are certain cases where it is absolutely appropriate - and you just mentioned one.
 
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americanwoman said:
As a Nebraskan I'm disappointed. For some crimes I think that a person deserve to die. :shrug: Just a couple weeks ago this young guy here murdered his mother and thenthrew his 5 year old half brother over a bridge into a river during a thunderstorm while the boy was alive. Do you think the boy survived? Hell no! Excuse me if I don't care for this jerk to live.
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Given your other writing here I'm honestly surprised that you feel that way. You're not concerned that the death penalty can or is misused or that innocent people risk execution?
 
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Gaius46 said:
Given your other writing here I'm honestly surprised that you feel that way. You're not concerned that the death can or is misused or that innocent people risk execution?
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So you favour abolition of the courts and prisons and the scrapping of criminal law?
 
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LeoVlaming said:
But you are OK with people being imprisoned for life and dying in prison when they did nothing to deserve it?
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I'm not okay with that either. However the cost of that mistake is less than that of execution and it is always potentially reversible.
 
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Gaius46 said:
I'm not okay with that either. However the cost of that mistake is less than that of execution and it is always potentially reversible.
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How is the cost of somebody dying in prison innocently less?
 
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LeoVlaming said:
So you favour abolition of the courts and prisons and the scrapping of criminal law?
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How do you get that from what I wrote? Can you not read and understand simple English? I oppose the death penalty. There is no reasonable way to conclude from that statement that I oppose the criminal justice system generally.
 
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LeoVlaming said:
How is the cost of somebody dying in prison innocently less?
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Because they are still alive and while alive the error of an improper incarceration is fixable.
 
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Gaius46 said:
How do you get that from what I wrote? Can you not read and understand simple English? I oppose the death penalty. There is no reasonable way to conclude from that statement that I oppose the criminal justice system generally.
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Your argument is based on the fact that a judicial system can make mistakes.
 
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Montecresto said:
As a death penalty opponent, generally*, I wouldn't, so long as the jury saw overwhelming evidence to convict! with very little deliberation, and in the jury room there wasn't a single juror who had to be drug along. We just don't get to have it that way. My opposition to the death penalty doesn't follow the hard liners that think two wrongs don't make a right argument. I'm concerned about false convictions, and innocent people being put to death, which has happened too frequently.
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Well nobody wants someone innocent put to death. Nobody would want a monster like I described to get off because some innocent dude died in his place.
 
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Gaius46 said:
Because they are still alive and while alive the error of an improper incarceration is fixable.
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People who die in prison while being incarcerated innocently are generally not "alive".
 
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Montecresto said:
The name of the group escapes me, but there is a group of lawyers that work pro bono, which since the discovery of positive identification by DNA continue to go back to old cases..........last I'd heard they had been instrumental in the release of over 100 prisoners serving life for crimes they ended up not to have committed!!
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You're talking about the "Innocence Project". That's as much a politically driven group as any.
 
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LeoVlaming said:
People who die in prison while being incarcerated innocently are generally not "alive".
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The funny thing about the DP debate is that there is usually someone who opposes it that will say that life in prison is actually harsher. So doesn't that say that those of us supportive of the DP are actually more merciful?
 
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LeoVlaming said:
Your argument is based on the fact that a judicial system can make mistakes.
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That's right. The judicial system can and does make mistakes. But it is also necessary. Given those two the only reasonable things to be done are are to build the system in such a way as to minimize the number of mistakes made, though they can never be completely eliminated, and minimize the cost of those mistakes that are made. Not killing people is just such a minimization strategy.
 
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X Factor said:
Well nobody wants someone innocent put to death. Nobody would want a monster like I described to get off because some innocent dude died in his place.
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Being in jail for life is hardly "getting off." And honestly talk like that sound to be more like revenge than justice.
 
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LeoVlaming said:
People who die in prison while being incarcerated innocently are generally not "alive".
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Yes it's essentially a slow death sentence but again it is preferable to actively killing them and leaves open the possibility of correcting the mistake. People do get exonerated decades after being imprisioned. That possibility is foreclosed, at least in anyway that's meaningful to the dead guy, once you kill them.
 
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No purpose in the death penalty . Even with the pitiful tactic of trying to play on your emotions instead of logic . Sentencing someone to death Is not going to bring the victim back or erase the ordeal instead it is going cost the tax payers more and make the entire process of going to trial even longer not to mention that the possibility of conviction will be commuted to life instead of carrying out the execution .
 
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X Factor said:
Well nobody wants someone innocent put to death. Nobody would want a monster like I described to get off because some innocent dude died in his place.
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I wasn't suggesting that. Perhaps if you read all my comments in this thread, you'd understand my position more, which is admittedly nuanced.
 
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Gaius46 said:
Being in jail for life is hardly "getting off." And honestly talk like that sound to be more like revenge than justice.
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Amazing that there's somebody that thinks life in prison is "getting off", lol.
 
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X Factor said:
You're talking about the "Innocence Project". That's as much a politically driven group as any.
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You're suggesting that the retrials they've conducted are bogus?
 
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MickeyW said:
Wrong! It's more than necessary and they need to do it to more of these scum....

liberal dopes don't have a clue of what heinous monsters these people are. Keeping them alive to victimize others and bleed the taxpayers.... is like allowing a Black Widow to live on your property.

Executing these cockroaches is a benefit to society and stops them from victimizing others....for****ingever!
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This is why I oppose the death penalty, this blind appeal to emotion.

The Death Penalty costs money and the lives of the innocent. It's a costly and flawed system which is no longer necessary in today's society. We save money by not using the DP and we avoid all the negative consequences of it. Added to the fact that the DP provides nothing, not deterrent nor safety to society, over that which we get by having the base jailing system.

This red faced vitriol spewed out by some is nothing more that emotional appeal to used a dumb and broken system.
 
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Way to join the human race on this Nebraska.
 
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