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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    ...have you not read the thread at all? Are you seriously challenging the idea that innocent people have been executed?

    You argued a slippery slope. Sorry. You don't get to hide from it.
    i've seen the arguments of innocents being executed...proof of innocence of those executed is very short supply... some would say "absent".

    what slippery slope.. elaborate.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i've seen the arguments of innocents being executed...proof of innocence of those executed is very short supply... some would say "absent".

    what slippery slope.. elaborate.
    Cameron Todd Willingham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    He was convicted for murdering his own children via arson.

    Except the fire was accidental. ****ty way to die. Have your kids taken from you in a tragic accident, and then spend the rest of your life with the public believing you were the one who did it.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i've seen the arguments of innocents being executed...proof of innocence of those executed is very short supply... some would say "absent".
    Warning! Warning! Goalpost moving ahead!

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I've interacted with Thrilla before and I know he doesn't really think that innocent people haven't been executed. But I am trying to wrap my head around the people who describe in the most graphic detail the murders of innocent people when arguing in favor of the death penalty, but when it comes to actual innocent people being executed based on false convictions, say, "Hey, whaddya gonna do? **** happens."
    I'm not going to say innocents haven't been executed... but i'm also not going to say they have been executed either....even the associations opposed to death penalty refrain from making positive claims
    the arguments of innocents being executed is primarily a statistical argument.... hell, one of the preeminent studies on unjust convictions/wrongful executions was entirely based in statistical estimations.

    It is likely innocents have been executed?... absolutely... especially before technological advances ( chances are pretty damned high some bad **** went down back in the days of hanging judges and the like)

    in any event, I see utility in the death penalty on a few different levels.



    when ya really look at it...there's really no difference between LWOP and the death penalty.... there's no moral high ground between the two.... one is just a sentence to die from a lethal cocktail, the other a sentence to die of other causes (natural causes, homicide, suicide, whatever works)

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Warning! Warning! Goalpost moving ahead!
    ok.. stay here and troll by yourself.. i'm out.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ok.. stay here and troll by yourself.. i'm out.
    Sorry, been around the block is all. When someone asks for evidence of something happening in the era of Google, any answers tend to result in the moving of goalposts. It's just how it goes.

    But perhaps I've misjudged you, so in addition to Deuce's link, here's another:

    Troy Davis Georgia Convicted 1991 Executed 2011

    After a hearing on September 19, the Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles denied clemency to Troy Davis, despite presentation of testimony casting doubt on his guilt. Brian Kammer, one of Davis's attorneys, said, "I am utterly shocked and disappointed at the failure of our justice system at all levels to correct a miscarriage of justice." Davis's claims of innocence have received international attention, and calls for clemency have been made by Pope Benedict XVI, former President Jimmy Carter, former FBI Director William Sessions, former Georgia Supreme Court Chief Justice Norman Fletcher and others. Doubts about Davis's guilt were raised when some prosecution witnesses changed their stories after giving testimony against Davis, including accusations pointing to another suspect as the murderer of a police officer in Savannah. The Board heard testimony from a juror in Davis's original trial who now says she has too much doubt about his guilt and would change her verdict. They also heard from a witness who originally testified against Davis, but has since recanted her testimony, and from Davis's family. The Board had held two previous clemency hearings for Davis, but the makeup of the Board had changed since he was denied clemency in 2008, and new testimony had been given at a federal court hearing in 2010. UPDATE: Davis was executed late on the night of Sept. 21, 2011. The U.S. Supreme Court delayed the execution to consider final appeals, but then denied as stay.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    1.)I just want to make sure we do the right thing -- I wouldn't want to disrespect your wishes. Do we help overturn your conviction or would that fix nothing?
    2.)And by the way, simply saying "strawman" doesn't make it a strawman. You have to actually say why it's a strawman.
    1.) again my wishes have nothing to do with anything that would be yet another failed stawman LMAO so i guess you arent interested in that really LMAO
    2.) yes i know thats why i mention I never said or even suggested the mentally retarded stuff made up and claimed in your posts . . . hence strawman . . thank you for pointing that out, let us know when your posts will stop making the, thanks
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) again my wishes have nothing to do with anything that would be yet another failed stawman LMAO so i guess you arent interested in that really LMAO
    2.) yes i know thats why i mention I never said or even suggested the mentally retarded stuff made up and claimed in your posts . . . hence strawman . . thank you for pointing that out, let us know when your posts will stop making the, thanks
    Explain in detail the difference between my version of your position and your actual position. If you refuse to answer this directly I'll be forced to conclude that what I said wasn't a strawman.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    1.)Explain in detail the difference between my version of your position and your actual position.
    2.) If you refuse to answer this directly I'll be forced to conclude that what I said wasn't a strawman.
    1.) why would i wast time doing that LMAO what i have said and the mentally retarded stuff you made up are not the same at all. its YOUR job to show i said something so stupid or to prove the are the same since its your claim . . its YOUR strawman, YOU defend it . did you really think anybody honest educated and objective would fall for that?
    2.) actually you will CHOOSE to do that lol and thats fine by me, i have no problem with you "thinking" something so stupid that has zero logical support to it and that you cant back up so i accept your concession lol

    it still remains the claim that abolishing "fixes" things is false and not a fact. . . do you have ANYTHING factual that changes that reality . . anything? lol
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) its been factually destroyed because its been proven its not fixable . . only in your subjective opinion do you think so
    2.) this is a bold faced lie because i attacked head NOTHING was evaded . . post history proves that also . . try again
    3.) actually since that showed how your statement is factually false its 100% relevant, it shows its not a "fix" like you falsely claimed
    4.) see #3 you have already been proven wrong, it address your false claim of it being fixable
    5.) also false . . you cant claim that wrongful life in prison is fixable and not talk about what the life in prison may actually be, thats just silly, NOBODY honest, educated and objective will buy that dishonesty
    6.) already addressed this failed strawman . . never claimed any system would be perfect . . . if you disagree simply quote me saying that . . you will fail
    7.) already answered this . . .

    maybe you will answer ANY of the question i asked you instead of running from them and dodging them lol

    fact remains your statement is not a fact and claiming it can be fixed is nothing more than your subjective opinion and one that has been shown to be horrifically under thought
    It is obvious that a if a person remains alive a wrongful conviction can be overturned and the person restored freedom. It is equally obvious that a dead person cannot. I fail to see why this needs to be discussed at all.

    Youve stated time and again that being wrongly convicted is not fixable. No it isn't insofar as you cannot give a person back the lost years and opportunity. Okay. Can we now stop fixating on that word and discuss the point that being released after 20 years is less bad than being executed and your family getting a posthumous "I'm sorry". Your contention that since life in prison for an innocent also sucks that we shouldn't worry about killing them strikes me a pure idiocy.

    And while we're at it how about answering the question I've posed to you twice now: At what level of error does it become acceptable to you to sacrifice innocent people to keep the death penalty.
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