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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    So in your mind their is no crime were death is warranted?
    It costs more money, isn't a deterrent, and sometimes the person executed is innocent.

    That's enough for me to decide the government shouldn't have the authority to execute me.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I have doubts to it being unnecessary and expensive... but flawed?...I'm thinking more along the lines of the prior proceedings potentially being flawed, not the penalty itself.
    getting rid of the penalty altogether does nothing to address any flaws... practically speaking it allows us to ignore those flaws and allows them to persist.

    it's a righteous penalty for a qualifying like crime.
    I don't find anything "righteous" about the death penalty. It is more expensive than life in prison and offers no additional benefits to society at all. There have been numerous occasions of innocent people on death row, so much so that Illinois had to call a moratorium on the DP several years ago.

    So for something that pretty much has nothing but negatives, why would we keep it?
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    The penalty itself is not expensive or unnecessary but we have allowed too much red tape to make into a cluster ****. I am for reforming the penalty.
    So we can do what? Kill people faster? There's a problem with innocent people on death row, killing people faster just means that you'll kill more innocent people.

    What is the necessity of the DP? It's not a deterrent, it doesn't offer any additional protections than life in prison, it's expensive, and it consumes innocent life. What is so great about the DP?
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So we can do what? Kill people faster? There's a problem with innocent people on death row, killing people faster just means that you'll kill more innocent people.

    What is the necessity of the DP? It's not a deterrent, it doesn't offer any additional protections than life in prison, it's expensive, and it consumes innocent life. What is so great about the DP?
    Not meant to be a deterrent it is meant to be a punishment.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't find anything "righteous" about the death penalty. It is more expensive than life in prison and offers no additional benefits to society at all. There have been numerous occasions of innocent people on death row, so much so that Illinois had to call a moratorium on the DP several years ago.

    So for something that pretty much has nothing but negatives, why would we keep it?
    ok.. get rid of it... it doesn't affect me whatsoever...I'm not a murderer.


    ....we can work towards getting rid of life sentences next... it'll be fun.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Not meant to be a deterrent it is meant to be a punishment.
    So is being drawn and quartered.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ok.. get rid of it... it doesn't affect me whatsoever...I'm not a murderer.


    ....we can work towards getting rid of life sentences next... it'll be fun.
    Those innocent people that got executed weren't murderers either.

    I can flip your slippery slope around. How come until we're executing children for shoplifting, EH THRILLA?
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Those innocent people that got executed weren't murderers either.

    I can flip your slippery slope around. How come until we're executing children for shoplifting, EH THRILLA?
    what innocent people were executed?

    it's not a slippery slope argument... nor would I ever want anyone executed for shoplifting.

    i'm not arguing for a lesser sentences for heinous murderers (that would be y'all)... and i'm not arguing for stiffer penalties on shoplifters.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    The funny thing about the DP debate is that there is usually someone who opposes it that will say that life in prison is actually harsher. So doesn't that say that those of us supportive of the DP are actually more merciful?
    Yeah but "mercy" isn't really a consideration for me. There are so many factors and if everyone were given a competent lawyer who can stay awake, a qualified jury, and there's more evidence than just witness testimony, it would be a tough call for me. Unfortunately no state with the DP guarantees that standard to minimize wrongful convictions. I'd probably still believe it's hypocritical for the state or anyone else to unequivocally state that premeditated killing is wrong....and then turn around and do the exact same. However, i'd object a lot less to it

    There has been a gradual evolution in the DP in america, and elsewhere, leading to its inevitable demise. We used to execute minors and the mentally retarded. I'm guessing you would not support that, but 20 years ago you would be 'liberal' if not. Twenty years from now, the DP will be seen as barbaric probably even in texas. Looking at the list of countries with the DP, it's not good company

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I said that the guilty person would get off if an innocent person was convicted for the crime. That would be true whatever the sentence itself was.
    Difference being there's been cases where people have been released after *decades* in jail, as evidence emerges that they were innocent. If they were executed already, it's too late to do anything

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    what innocent people were executed?

    Exonerated After Execution: 13 Innocent People | MadameNoire

    Cameron Todd Willingham Innocent and Executed

    10 Convicts Presumed Innocent After Execution - Listverse

    http://www.newsweek.com/one-25-execu...-claims-248889

    US death row study: 4% of defendants sentenced to die are innocent | World news | The Guardian

    Shocking Number Of Innocent People Sentenced To Death, Study Finds

    Innocent people who are now dead.

    That is, by all definitions, defined as murder.

    It's a flawed system. Point blank. One innocent man or woman would have already been far to many.
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