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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

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    You do seem pretty angry.

    But if what you say is true, you are a literal sociopath and should seek help.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

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    Jumps right into a personal attack. Interesting. No, clearly no emotion coming from this guy.
    Didn't you just call him a sociopath?
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, a guy compares these two options.





    And picks the second one.
    Not at all. People have an amazing ability to adapt to the life they lead. Just look around you. People will accept almost anything in time.

    Lifers in prison, after some time, grow to like their existence, especially if they're wired to do the kind of things to get them there in the first place.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't think most folks will disagree over life without parole in lieu of the death penalty.... but as our system employs plea deals to a great degree.. i'd be curious to know how they feel about murders facing shorter sentences than they otherwise would have without the death penalty being employed as a plea bargain chip.

    in very real terms, we're lowering the bargaining chip ceiling here.... life without parole becomes the new ceiling.
    as all sides ( judge, defense, and prosecution) benefit from plea bargains... so it is known that there is pressure to strike a deal present.... if life without parole is the ceiling, do we not face face the very real potential of unjust light sentencing in cases of what we all consider to be our most heinous crime?

    I dunno.. I feel this is a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater, in some respects.
    I don't agree that potential exists. If someone is at risk for life without parole, they aren't going to get a "light" penalty.

    I think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is allowing the state to kill innocent people.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Not at all. People have an amazing ability to adapt to the life they lead. Just look around you. People will accept almost anything in time.

    Lifers in prison, after some time, grow to like their existence, especially if they're wired to do the kind of things to get them there in the first place.
    Uhh, I think you missed the point.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I don't agree that potential exists. If someone is at risk for life without parole, they aren't going to get a "light" penalty.

    I think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is allowing the state to kill innocent people.
    ok.. it's noted that you don't think lowering the bargaining ceiling will have any effect on sentencing.....i'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, but it's noted nonetheless.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    What's amazing is that it was killed from the right and not the left. Right wing gopers where out flanked to the right by a libertarian philosophy on the death penalty. They even had enough votes in their unicameral legislature to override the guv's veto. Pretty amazing turn in politics.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ok.. it's noted that you don't think lowering the bargaining ceiling will have any effect on sentencing.....i'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, but it's noted nonetheless.
    So keep a flawed, expensive system that innately consumes innocent life so that you have some bargaining chip? I’m not sure that makes sense. You can do what Colorado did and make the burden of proof for DP cases substantially higher and then I suppose if you have one of those “slam dunk” cases, you can still use it as a bargaining chip. But really, what happens if not? It goes to court. It’s not like these criminals get away with crimes just because the DP isn’t around.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Because they are still alive and while alive the error of an improper incarceration is fixable.
    how is it fixable?
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ok.. it's noted that you don't think lowering the bargaining ceiling will have any effect on sentencing.....i'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, but it's noted nonetheless.
    But there's a downside to that sentencing negotiation as well. If an innocent person is sitting there, and the choice is potential DEATH or agree to a guilty plea with a long sentence, it's an incredible lever to get an innocent person to plead guilty.

    Yes, it works the other way as you suggest, but the issue is whether the downsides of the death penalty outweigh whatever positives. I don't think there's an objectively correct answer to that - it depends on how badly we want to avoid innocent people dying, or agreeing to a plea rather than face potential death. If revenge is more important than those admittedly few innocents, the death penalty might be fine for you.

    I see the whole process as arbitrary, and prone to error, and political ambitions, etc. and believe it should be abolished everywhere.

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