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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    Yes, and these were all done before DNA was universally used. Today's law enforcement now uses DNA every time it's available. Once these 300 cases out of thousands of heinous criminal cases, are disposed of, there will no longer be any doubt as to the guilt of these people!

    Change the law, install the DP at every state and not just for murder.......I advocate it be used for serial rapists and drug dealers as well!

    Housing people for life is a poor second choice!
    You want to execute pharmacists selling Oxy, and liquor store owners!!! That seems a bit harsh.

    And DNA testing isn't actually a test that shows guilt or innocence. It's useful in many cases, but using DNA cannot remotely guarantee a correct verdict. And the biggest problem, IMO, with the death penalty is it's arbitrarily applied, and a death penalty depends heavily on who the defendant is, who the victim was (e.g. was the victim a nice looking middle class white female, or a street person, or a young black man with a criminal record), how much money he or she has, the quality of his legal team, the judge, the particular members of the jury, and more.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This great news, lets hope others follow suit.
    You Clinton supporters are all alike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Except that it's far far cheaper, it provides all the safety and security to society that the DP does without having the DP. I'm not going to waste millions of dollars trying to kill some kid who was selling pot. That's completely irrational.
    Your example is as irrational as it gets! No one executes any kids and certainly not for selling pot....GET REAL!

    There are many other inmates in state and federal prisons that are only there for a short time and for much lesser felonies........often times, those people are raped or murdered by the heinous animals that you bleeding hearts want to save! And many guards are assaulted and murdered by these same people.

    So let's change the law, and do away with the red tape and streamline the system. I want to see the Easy Button to a Firing Squad!



    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    DNA evidence for murder trials has been in use since the mid 80's, and if you follow the link I gave you a hell of a lot of those people were convicted after that time.



    Drug dealers too, huh? Okay.
    You bet Drug Dealers too! They ruin lives and kill people far more than the avg. killer!
    Sometimes courts and juries ignore the DNA evidence and use other evidence to convict...such as eye witness testimony, the looooooong rap sheet of the offender, or the cops and or witnesses...just plain Lie!
    Look at all the lying sacks of **** in Ferguson.....against the police officer. Had that big ass punk killed that cop, instead of the cop killing him....the POS would have walked!

    So, let me repeat this for you..................far fewer cases now and in the future, will have innocent people going to jail. And when it's a slam dunk.....why even bother with DNA! Examples, (1)when a person walks up to a patrol unit and executes the cops in that car in front of witnesses....................we don't need DNA!
    (2)There was more than sufficient evidence to convict and execute Tim McVeigh w/o DNA.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What does a complete disregard for the execution of innocent people make you?
    Are you a bit slow?

    No WHERE on this forum have I ever shown disregard for any innocent people!

    Now stop acting all emotional and talk sense!

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    Your example is as irrational as it gets! No one executes any kids and certainly not for selling pot....GET REAL!
    No, but some people want to.

    You bet Drug Dealers too! They ruin lives and kill people far more than the avg. killer!

    So let's change the law, and do away with the red tape and streamline the system. I want to see the Easy Button to a Firing Squad!
    This will result in more innocent people being executed.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You want to execute pharmacists selling Oxy, and liquor store owners!!! That seems a bit harsh.

    And DNA testing isn't actually a test that shows guilt or innocence. It's useful in many cases, but using DNA cannot remotely guarantee a correct verdict. And the biggest problem, IMO, with the death penalty is it's arbitrarily applied, and a death penalty depends heavily on who the defendant is, who the victim was (e.g. was the victim a nice looking middle class white female, or a street person, or a young black man with a criminal record), how much money he or she has, the quality of his legal team, the judge, the particular members of the jury, and more.
    Your first sentence.......Another so called edjeeecated person......using silly, silly examples!

    Second part, I mostly agree. But, in most cases the preponderance of evidence is so great............................that the guilt of the person is a no brainer.
    Tim McVeigh and Terry McNichol are prime examples of that.....the Boston Bombers are as well. Too bad they didn't shoot the punk ass kid on the scene while he was running over his brother!

    I have arrested, filed reports and testified in court, hundreds of times. NONE of my cases were ever overturned or dismissed!

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    You bet Drug Dealers too! They ruin lives and kill people far more than the avg. killer!
    I agree. The biggest killers are prescription drugs and alcohol. So let's start rounding up drug company execs, pharmacies, doctors prescribing Oxy at pain clinics/pill mills, and of course all the manufacturers and dealers of alcohol!!!

    So, let me repeat this for you..................far fewer cases now and in the future, will have innocent people going to jail. And when it's a slam dunk.....why even bother with DNA! Examples, (1)when a person walks up to a patrol unit and executes the cops in that car in front of witnesses....................we don't need DNA!
    (2)There was more than sufficient evidence to convict and execute Tim McVeigh w/o DNA.
    So 'far fewer' innocents will get sentenced to die, and you're ok with some number of innocents being executed? How many is too many?

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, but some people want to.






    This will result in more innocent people being executed.
    Wrong on BOTH counts!

    How old are you anyway? You talk like some kid in his Mom's basement!

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    Are you a bit slow?

    No WHERE on this forum have I ever shown disregard for any innocent people!

    Now stop acting all emotional and talk sense!
    Okay, then you just choose to operate under the delusion that innocent aren't sent to death row, even though I've given you evidence that people have been wrongly convicted even when DNA evidence was used.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    Wrong on BOTH counts!

    How old are you anyway? You talk like some kid in his Mom's basement!
    Jumps right into a personal attack. Interesting. No, clearly no emotion coming from this guy.

    You said you wanted to execute drug dealers. Have you changed your mind?

    Making it easier to execute someone makes it easier to execute an innocent person.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    Your first sentence.......Another so called edjeeecated person......using silly, silly examples!
    They're not silly examples. Just one article:https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...y-street-drugs

    The unprecedented rise in overdose deaths in the U.S. parallels a 300 percent increase since 1999 in the sale of powerful painkillers such as Vicodin and OxyContin. These drugs were involved in 14,800 overdose deaths in 2008, more than cocaine and heroin combined (2).

    The misuse and abuse of prescription painkillers was responsible for more than 475,000 emergency department visits in 2009, a number that nearly doubled in just five years (3).
    Some facts about alcohol: CDC - Fact Sheets-Alcohol Use And Health - Alcohol

    Excessive alcohol use led to approximately 88,000 deaths and 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) each year in the United States from 2006 – 2010, shortening the lives of those who died by an average of 30 years.1,2 Further, excessive drinking was responsible for 1 in 10 deaths among working-age adults aged 20-64 years. The economic costs of excessive alcohol consumption in 2006 were estimated at $223.5 billion, or $1.90 a drink.3
    If you want to crack down on drug dealers let's be consistent. All you're advocating for is the death penalty for dealers of some drugs used by some people. Seems crazy to me.

    Second part, I mostly agree. But, in most cases the preponderance of evidence is so great............................that the guilt of the person is a no brainer.
    Tim McVeigh and Terry McNichol are prime examples of that.....the Boston Bombers are as well. Too bad they didn't shoot the punk ass kid on the scene!

    I have arrested, filed reports and testified in court, hundreds of times. NONE of my cases were ever overturned or dismissed!
    But we're not talking about "most" cases.

    And what do you do that you can ring up a perfect record over "hundreds" of cases? On its face, it sounds like the kind of record one would ring up in a dictatorship, not a properly adversarial system where the defendant is presumed innocent, and must be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

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