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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think some people may desire the death of people. But if one is going to be reasonable, they need to weight the pros and cons of having the death penalty and see what it adds to the justice system. Our DP adds nothing of value. It costs way more to kill a man than to keep him in prison for the rest of his life. We are always hearing about DP cases being overturned or people being found innocent, it's inherently flawed. It doesn't provide deterrent to crime, it offers no additional safety to the Public over Life w/o Parole.

    One may want to kill another person, think their crime is so heinous that they need to die, but our system is built upon imperfect knowledge and the cost and failure modes of the DP far outweigh any potential gain from it.

    The DP is an irrational system.
    I don't desire the death of anyone. But some people pose such an unacceptable risk to society that they deserve to be executed.

    It is not so that the death penalty is more expensive than keeping somebody in jail for 50+ years. The "studies" that purport to demonstrate that do not take into account the full cost of housing, feeding, guarding, taking medical care of, etc somebody for all that time, let alone the cost of all the legal proceedings somebody can institute during such a period of time. That being said, coast is not a serious consideration or argument in this matter.

    Human justice, like everything human, is imperfect. That doesn't mean we have to abandon it.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    No. According to me the justice system will always get some cases wrong. Not executing people minimizes to the extent possible the cost of getting it wrong.
    As I demonstrated it doesn't.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    The protection of innocent people (future victims of murderers) isn't what's really desired by people who advocate for the death penalty, but rather the sense that justice has been done. This is demonstrated by their constant need to play to people's emotions by mentioning in detail a list of horrible crimes, and their utterly cavalier attitude at the fact that innocent people have been sent to death row numerous times already. If they were truly worried about the innocent then they'd be against the death penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Then let's not pretend this has anything to do with the protection of innocent people, alright?
    Contrary to you I feel innocent people should be protected from murderers, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Contrary to you I feel innocent people should be protected from murderers, yes.
    So where's your concern for innocent people who have been sent to death row?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The protection of innocent people (future victims of murderers) isn't what's really desired by people who advocate for the death penalty, but rather the sense that justice has been done. This is demonstrated by their constant need to play to people's emotions by mentioning in detail a list of horrible crimes, and their utterly cavalier attitude at the fact that innocent people have been sent to death row numerous times already. If they were truly worried about the innocent then they'd be against the death penalty.
    So you feel that it was very wrong to execute the commander of Auschwitz, right?

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So where's your concern for innocent people who have been sent to death row?
    It is in the same place with my concern for people who have died in prison innocently.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    It is in the same place with my concern for people who have died in prison innocently.
    Your concern for innocent people is in a cold, dark place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Your concern for innocent people is in a cold, dark place?
    Not really. More in a rational, logical place.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Not really. More in a rational, logical place.
    Seriously, please explain for me why an individual carrying out murder against an innocent is bad, but the state executing an innocent person is good. Because when I try to see the common thread in those two thoughts, protection of the innocent doesn't seem to be it. No more bon mots or deflections: please address directly the issue of the execution of innocent people.

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