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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Once they've died in prison there isn't much to be done either.
    According to the DOJ the average time from conviction to execution is 198 months - about 16 years. People in prison serving life without parole routinely spend more than that in jail. If you can see that a longer timeline increases the probability of undoing an injustice there's really no point in continuing this line of discussion.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    According to the DOJ the average time from conviction to execution is 198 months - about 16 years. People in prison serving life without parole routinely spend more than that in jail. If you can see that a longer timeline increases the probability of undoing an injustice there's really no point in continuing this line of discussion.
    So according to you the justice system will always achieve a dependable result in the case of people sentenced to prison but not in the case of people sentenced to die. In one case there is infallibility and in another there isn't. Pretty illogical.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    That pretty much answers my question, doesn't it.

    I don't need a "study" to tell me that punishment doesn't deter all crime. Nor do I need a "study" to tell me that no executed murderer has ever murdered again.
    Good point. I don't need a study to tell me that innocent people that are executed will never murder even once.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Good point. I don't need a study to tell me that innocent people that are executed will never murder even once.
    Absolutely true. The same goes for people who die in prison after having been wrongfully convicted.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Absolutely true. The same goes for people who die in prison after having been wrongfully convicted.
    Then let's not pretend this has anything to do with the protection of innocent people, alright?

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    It's one risk against another. Why would one be more controllable than another?
    Life without parole would decrease the risk to people outside of prison.

    Segregation of convicted murderers from others would protect other inmates.

    Certainly there may be an increased risk to guards - on average it seems 3 corrections officers are killed a year. Even if you assume all three are killed by people in jail for life for murder that number is lower than the estimated 3% of death row inmates who are innocent.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    True but Life in prison is not always the fitting of punishment for certain crimes.
    But the state killing people is? May I remind you that our justice system if filled with errors, and the recent revelations that the FBI essentially intentionally falsified evidence to retain convictions just sheds light on our justice system problems, and you think it wise that the state has the power to execute individuals?
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    So according to you the justice system will always achieve a dependable result in the case of people sentenced to prison but not in the case of people sentenced to die. In one case there is infallibility and in another there isn't. Pretty illogical.
    No. According to me the justice system will always get some cases wrong. Not executing people minimizes to the extent possible the cost of getting it wrong.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    I am not pleading for "killing everybody", just for being reasonable. And it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that some people commit crimes that warrant the death penalty.
    I think some people may desire the death of people. But if one is going to be reasonable, they need to weight the pros and cons of having the death penalty and see what it adds to the justice system. Our DP adds nothing of value. It costs way more to kill a man than to keep him in prison for the rest of his life. We are always hearing about DP cases being overturned or people being found innocent, it's inherently flawed. It doesn't provide deterrent to crime, it offers no additional safety to the Public over Life w/o Parole.

    One may want to kill another person, think their crime is so heinous that they need to die, but our system is built upon imperfect knowledge and the cost and failure modes of the DP far outweigh any potential gain from it.

    The DP is an irrational system.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Yes I am concerned about that but in rare cases where it's a slam dunk case the person did it and it's a horrendous crime then the person doesn't deserve to live. Raping and then burning to death a little girl as one poster gave as an example is just the kind of crime where I don't feel anything for that person and hope they burn to death as well. I can be compassionate until someone tortures and kills human beings for their own sick pleasure.

    The problem though is that there are very few slam dunk cases. The case you mentioned is horrible and if caught in the act I'd be the first person to put a bullet in his head. But if they aren't caught in the act we depend on the justice system to figure out who did what and the system gets it wrong - somewhere between 3-5% of the time if the stats I saw are accurate.
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