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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by MathewSmith View Post
    The International Center for Prison Studies estimates that our death penalty has a serious race problem: 42 percent of those on death row are black, compared to less than 15 percent of the overall population. I don' think it's about race. If you know, what I mean.
    So people should be convicted based on some sort or racial pecentage, rather than on the basis of their individual case?

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    It minimizes certain risks and heightens others. You prefer to heighten the risk that somebody will murder again.
    Life in prison without pare has the same functional effect for society on whole. You're not heightening anything by any statistically significant margin by abolishing abolishing the DP.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Given your other writing here I'm honestly surprised that you feel that way. You're not concerned that the death penalty can or is misused or that innocent people risk execution?
    Yes I am concerned about that but in rare cases where it's a slam dunk case the person did it and it's a horrendous crime then the person doesn't deserve to live. Raping and then burning to death a little girl as one poster gave as an example is just the kind of crime where I don't feel anything for that person and hope they burn to death as well. I can be compassionate until someone tortures and kills human beings for their own sick pleasure.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

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    Here's my post.



    Show me where it says what you're claiming it said. Either of you. Back up your accusation or is this just an example of the kind of honesty we can expect from anti DPers?
    I misread your post. My apologies.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Yes I am concerned about that but in rare cases where it's a slam dunk case the person did it and it's a horrendous crime then the person doesn't deserve to live. Raping and then burning to death a little girl as one poster gave as an example is just the kind of crime where I don't feel anything for that person and hope they burn to death as well. I can be compassionate until someone tortures and kills human beings for their own sick pleasure.
    There really is no such thing as a slam dunk case . The trial cost is exorbitant and not all get the actual sentence just like on this case
    Death penalty on trial after McEnroe verdict shocker | The Seattle Times Which also brings up the appeals process and the things hat the victiims family will have to deal with snuck as the author had mentioned that it brings years of appeals instead of actual closure


    "Thatís a powerful statement. Winning on the death penalty doesnít bring closure. It brings rounds of appeals and hearings, lasting years, all focused on the killer. So in the end why not lock him up forever, with no possibility of getting out, and try to move on."
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    It minimizes certain risks and heightens others. You prefer to heighten the risk that somebody will murder again.
    Increasing the risk, if that's really the case - I don't know if it statistically is or isn't - that a murderer will murder again isn't a justification for increasing the risk that we will kill an innocent.

    And any increased risk is certainly controllable.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Life in prison without pare has the same functional effect for society on whole. You're not heightening anything by any statistically significant margin by abolishing abolishing the DP.
    Prisoners can escape. Prisoners can attack and kill guards. Etc.

    Besides, life in prison without any possibility of parole does not really exist. there is Always a possibility there will be a procedure to get somebody released.

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Increasing the risk, if that's really the case - I don't know if it statistically is or isn't - that a murderer will murder again isn't a justification for increasing the risk that we will kill an innocent.

    And any increased risk is certainly controllable.
    It's one risk against another. Why would one be more controllable than another?

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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Prisoners can escape. Prisoners can attack and kill guards. Etc.

    Besides, life in prison without any possibility of parole does not really exist. there is Always a possibility there will be a procedure to get somebody released.
    Prisoners don't escape often enough from our current Maximum Security Prisons to give any statistically significant effect.

    Prison is dangerous and prisoners can kill guards, but that doesn't mean we kill everyone in prison. Instead we need to develop procedures and safety equipment to keep correction officers safe.

    And Life in Prison without Parole is actually a thing that for real does exist. Yes, the case can get overturned if it turns out there wasn't sufficient evidence, if confessions were coerced, if there was wrong doing on the part of the DA; but those are even more reasons why you shouldn't kill someone.
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    Re: Nebraska Abolishes Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Prisoners don't escape often enough from our current Maximum Security Prisons to give any statistically significant effect.

    Prison is dangerous and prisoners can kill guards, but that doesn't mean we kill everyone in prison. Instead we need to develop procedures and safety equipment to keep correction officers safe.

    And Life in Prison without Parole is actually a thing that for real does exist. Yes, the case can get overturned if it turns out there wasn't sufficient evidence, if confessions were coerced, if there was wrong doing on the part of the DA; but those are even more reasons why you shouldn't kill someone.
    I am not pleading for "killing everybody", just for being reasonable. And it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that some people commit crimes that warrant the death penalty.

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