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    Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    When are we going to start calling it bribery?

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    A decade in the making, the controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is reaching its climax and as Congress hotly debates the biggest trade deal in a generation, its backers have turned on the cash spigot in the hopes of getting it passed. “We’re very much in the endgame,” US trade representative Michael Froman told reporters over the weekend at a meeting of the 21-member Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum on the resort island of Boracay. His comments came days after TPP passed another crucial vote in the Senate. That vote, to give Barack Obama the authority to speed the bill through Congress, comes as the president’s own supporters, senior economists and a host of activists have lobbied against a pact they argue will favor big business but harm US jobs, fail to secure better conditions for workers overseas and undermine free speech online. Those critics are unlikely to be silenced by an analysis of the sudden flood of money it took to push the pact over its latest hurdle.

    Fast-tracking the TPP, meaning its passage through Congress without having its contents available for debate or amendments, was only possible after lots of corporate money exchanged hands with senators. The US Senate passed Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) – the fast-tracking bill – by a 65-33 margin on 14 May. Last Thursday, the Senate voted 62-38 to bring the debate on TPA to a close. Those impressive majorities follow months of behind-the-scenes wheeling and dealing by the world’s most well-heeled multinational corporations with just a handful of holdouts. Using data from the Federal Election Commission, this chart shows all donations that corporate members of the US Business Coalition for TPP made to US Senate campaigns between January and March 2015, when fast-tracking the TPP was being debated in the Senate: Out of the total $1,148,971 given, an average of $17,676.48 was donated to each of the 65 “yea” votes. The average Republican member received $19,673.28 from corporate TPP supporters. The average Democrat received $9,689.23 from those same donors. The amounts given rise dramatically when looking at how much each senator running for re-election received.

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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    When are we going to start calling it bribery?

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    Why would you call it bribery? It is visible and everyone knows even the sums. If the payments were illicit, I would be worried. But one might make it law that donations can be made only by real persons, if one wanted. The question is, whether it doesn't make sense that the areas of society actually making the money we all live from, are the worst in who to place one's trust that they understand, what the economy needs.

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    The fringe right is the single best example of self efficacy. To the rest. A deal negotiated in secret, by a composition 85% of corporate execs and industry lobbyist! doling out the money as it comes time for congresses approval! really needs no explanation.
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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    When are we going to start calling it bribery?

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    repeal the 17th amendment...

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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    repeal the 17th amendment...
    Then the corporations would just pay the state representatives to appoint the US senators they want.

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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why would you call it bribery? It is visible and everyone knows even the sums. If the payments were illicit, I would be worried. But one might make it law that donations can be made only by real persons, if one wanted. The question is, whether it doesn't make sense that the areas of society actually making the money we all live from, are the worst in who to place one's trust that they understand, what the economy needs.
    *bolding mine.

    Whatever it's called in technical terms, it sure isn't right: It's 'buying' the democratic process!
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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    When are we going to start calling it bribery?

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    we can accurately call it bribery when it meets the legal definition of bribery.

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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Then the corporations would just pay the state representatives to appoint the US senators they want.
    sorry but that not correct, because you assume that their is only [1] special interest, while the u.s. government is bought and paid for by many special interst.

    without the 17th senators are not free agents to vote as they will, they are representatives of the state legislatures of their state, they cannot be lobbied via bribes, reelection they must vote according to how their state tells them to vote.

    in order the lobby the senate, the lobbyist of many special interest groups have to physically visit the states to lobby the legislatures, which over the 50 states comprises 7000 people, instead of bribing 100 people in 1 central location of Washington.

    madison states in federalist 10 that democratic forms of government are more factious then republican forms of government, which is why america was created a republican form, the 17th turned america towards a democratic form, and opened american government up to faction/special interest who buy government for they agendas.

    only by repealing the 17th and again splitting power in america government will break the back of special interest in that government.

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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry but that not correct, because you assume that their is only [1] special interest, while the u.s. government is bought and paid for by many special interst.

    without the 17th senators are not free agents to vote as they will, they are representatives of the state legislatures of their state, they cannot be lobbied via bribes, reelection they must vote according to how their state tells them to vote.

    in order the lobby the senate, the lobbyist of many special interest groups have to physically visit the states to lobby the legislatures, which over the 50 states comprises 7000 people, instead of bribing 100 people in 1 central location of Washington.

    madison states in federalist 10 that democratic forms of government are more factious then republican forms of government, which is why america was created a republican form, the 17th turned america towards a democratic form, and opened american government up to faction/special interest who buy government for they agendas.

    only by repealing the 17th and again splitting power in america government will break the back of special interest in that government.
    Compelling points I had never really considered. I'll have to read up a bit but thanks for giving me a starting point.

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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Compelling points I had never really considered. I'll have to read up a bit but thanks for giving me a starting point.
    i would point you in the direction of the federalist 62 and 63 of why the senate is created.. to block collectivist legislation of the house and place a check [prevent] the expansion of federal power...among others...keeping the federal government[congress] out of the life's liberty and property of the people.
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