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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why would you call it bribery? It is visible and everyone knows even the sums. If the payments were illicit, I would be worried. But one might make it law that donations can be made only by real persons, if one wanted. The question is, whether it doesn't make sense that the areas of society actually making the money we all live from, are the worst in who to place one's trust that they understand, what the economy needs.
    Bribery isn't bribery if it's in the open? What?
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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

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    Bribery isn't bribery if it's in the open? What?
    I know, funny isn't it.
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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    the # of comments compared to obvious wasteful threads is disturbing.


    The TPP is the worst abuse in... well only 2-3 years... but still.

    The lack of media coverage on this is.... disturbing.
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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    *bolding mine.

    Whatever it's called in technical terms, it sure isn't right: It's 'buying' the democratic process!
    It is a very good question regarding how much money and time an individual or a group of individuals should be allowed to invest in political activities.

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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Bribery isn't bribery if it's in the open? What?
    Of course it isn't. IT is then participation in attaining your political goals.

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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is a very good question regarding how much money and time an individual or a group of individuals should be allowed to invest in political activities.
    Yes it is - and I'm of the opinion (in terms of money): "The least, the better"!

    However, there's a coupla' guys & a gals known as 'Justices of the Supreme Court' who disagree with me, and this has been a bit, well ... problematic.
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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Bribery isn't bribery if it's in the open? What?
    The problem we have here, is that it's 'legal bribery', so-to-speak.

    So now, we have established an extremely dangerous virtuous circle (or vicious circle, if you so chose), where:

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    Money = Power

    Those with money --> those that legislate receive money --> legislation produced to assist those with money to accrue more money --> those with more money now have even more money --> those that legislate receive even more money --> more legislation produced to assist those with money accrue even more money yet ...

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    Do this for a while, and the result is a wounded, hobbled, and disappearing middle class, to say nothing of the poor (due to lack of representation & an uneven field of opportunity).

    Do this long enough, and well ... it's not good.

    There's much, much, more resulting from this circle, but I wanted to stay brief & focused on the concept of money usurping representation & the democratic process.
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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    When are we going to start calling it bribery?

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    The bigger problem is the money donated on the record is quickly becoming irrelevant. It's also a huge problem that sitting Senators really have two worries. One is getting reelected, and doing the bidding of the plutocrats helps immensely - they either get the big money to get reelected, or they avoid having outside interests come into their state and spend 7 or 8 figures opposing them, from secret donors.

    The second worry is their life after the Senate. So long as they reasonably represent the interests of big donors on most issues, they've got a 7 figure job waiting for them the day after they retire or are defeated, and can set their family up for a generation. Just don't rock the boat too much and it's there for the taking.

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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill
    i'm shocked.

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    Re: Here’s how much corporations paid US senators to fast-track the TPP bill

    How much did Obama get? He loves this bill.

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