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    Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

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    Swiss officials rounded up six leading soccer officials in Zurich on Wednesday morning as a part of an operation that will likely see the suspects extradited to the U.S. on corruption charges,reports the New York Times. The arrests come just days ahead of the 65th congress of the sport’s global governing body FIFA, which is scheduled to commence in the Swiss city on Thursday.
    Federal prosecutors in Switzerland have opened criminal proceedings related to the awarding of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, and said they have seized “electronic data and documents” at the FIFA headquarters as part of the investigation. Police officials said 10 executive committee members who took part in the 2010 votes will be questioned. The U.S. Department of Justice has also unveiled an indictment against nine FIFA officials, including vice presidents Jeffrey Webb and Eugene Figueredo, and five corporate executives for racketeering conspiracy and corruption.



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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    I am a bit torn about this.... and angry.

    On the one hand, it is great that there is finally a real investigation into FIFA and corruption. It is time the top of world football is cleaned up. It wont get rid of Blatter though.

    But that it is being lead by a US prosecutor does not exactly scream either legitimacy nor confidence as corruption is rampant in US business and political life and nothing happens there. Not to mention it took this long for them to do anything is kinda... FIFA kicked out the US member who admitted corruption like a decade ago, and the FBI only now does something.. come on.

    On top of that, the fact that it took the actions of the FBI to kick the Swiss into action with their own investigation also pisses me off. People have been complaining for years but the Swiss have not done a thing. But then again no one in FIFA of the "rebels" have done a thing either when it comes to pushing for reforms or investigations outside FIFA.

    I am afraid that the Swiss and US investigations especially into the Russia bid, will become geo-political big time and have absolutely nothing to do with corruption.. but everything to do with sticking it to Putin. The same goes somewhat for the Qatar bid. We all know how Russia got the WC, and it was open and transparent.

    I hope that this will lead to reforms.. removing the UKs privileged status in FIFA, making elections more transparent and fair and basically making the whole organisation a true global one. Would also love to get rid of all these non-nations that are FIFA members and have "national teams".. totally screws with the over all power in the organisation.. all it is, is an attempt to give more power to specific nations. I mean what on earth does American Samoa, Gibraltar, Faroe Islands, British Virgin Islands, Cook Islands, and others have to do with sovereign nations? These places are full voting members of FIFA on the same level as Germany and Spain, but everyone knows that they are proxies for the US, UK and Denmark (Faero Islands), basically giving those countries far more power than they should have.

    Now will reforms happen? Some how I doubt it as the "rebels" are being lead in large part by the English FA, who are not exactly the biggest reformers in world football and have been implicated in past corruption.. plus considering they sit on 2 to 3 board places in FIFA already, their motivation to actually reform FIFA might be more words than actual bark.
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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    IMO, if the bids were, in fact, rigged, the 2018 and 2022 World Cups should be moved to the runner-up cities. That the scheduled host cities/countries incurred expenses in preparation would serve as a reminder that corruption doesn't pay and can actually be quite expensive. The individuals responsible should also be held fully accountable.

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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I am a bit torn about this.... and angry.

    On the one hand, it is great that there is finally a real investigation into FIFA and corruption. It is time the top of world football is cleaned up. It wont get rid of Blatter though.

    But that it is being lead by a US prosecutor does not exactly scream either legitimacy nor confidence as corruption is rampant in US business and political life and nothing happens there. Not to mention it took this long for them to do anything is kinda... FIFA kicked out the US member who admitted corruption like a decade ago, and the FBI only now does something.. come on.
    If you believe the US is that corrupt what does that say about all the others who have done nothing so far?

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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    If you believe the US is that corrupt what does that say about all the others who have done nothing so far?
    Good question....

    The history of combating corruption is not brilliant in many countries where FIFA has its power base. Guessing that is why FIFA has a power base in these places in the first place There is a reason that FIFA have their HQ and registration in Switzerland... they are not exactly know for their openness and accountability there.

    The reason I am sceptical of the US involvement is basically the record of the US justice system on corruption and going after foreign vs domestic organisations and the basis on how they can go after FIFA in the first place. As far as I understand it, the US prosecutor sole jurisdictional basis for this corruption probe, is that some of the money involved went through US banks and technically bribes are illegal in the US (yea right). This is tricky as hell, because this excuse has been used before in cases that would only be prosecutable in the US, but no where else. For example, a Danish cigar seller buys Cuban cigars from a German whole seller.. the money goes from a Danish bank to a German bank, but because for some reason the money goes via New York, the FBI/Homeland seize the money as it is consider funding terror.. this is an actual case.

    Basically I am such a big football fan, that I dont want any investigation into FIFA corruption to be based on questionable methods that could easily be used to discredit the investigation and result.

    Ideally as I stated, the reforms and investigation should come from within, but that aint possible due to the way FIFA is set up.
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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    FIFA is a totally discredited organisation. Organizing a world cup football in Qatar amounts to screaming out loud that you only care about money and bribes and have zero interest in football as a sport.

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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, if the bids were, in fact, rigged, the 2018 and 2022 World Cups should be moved to the runner-up cities. That the scheduled host cities/countries incurred expenses in preparation would serve as a reminder that corruption doesn't pay and can actually be quite expensive. The individuals responsible should also be held fully accountable.
    World Cup bids aren't to cities. Anyways, bids are usually awarded almost 8 years out for a reason. Most countries can't handle the infrastructure and logistics of setting this up overnight (~3 years).
    There are about 5 or 6 countries that in theory could pick up 2018 right now, and about 2 or 3 if this drags more than a year. 1 if it drags to 2017.

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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Good question....

    The history of combating corruption is not brilliant in many countries where FIFA has its power base. Guessing that is why FIFA has a power base in these places in the first place There is a reason that FIFA have their HQ and registration in Switzerland... they are not exactly know for their openness and accountability there.

    The reason I am sceptical of the US involvement is basically the record of the US justice system on corruption and going after foreign vs domestic organisations and the basis on how they can go after FIFA in the first place. As far as I understand it, the US prosecutor sole jurisdictional basis for this corruption probe, is that some of the money involved went through US banks and technically bribes are illegal in the US (yea right). This is tricky as hell, because this excuse has been used before in cases that would only be prosecutable in the US, but no where else. For example, a Danish cigar seller buys Cuban cigars from a German whole seller.. the money goes from a Danish bank to a German bank, but because for some reason the money goes via New York, the FBI/Homeland seize the money as it is consider funding terror.. this is an actual case.

    Basically I am such a big football fan, that I dont want any investigation into FIFA corruption to be based on questionable methods that could easily be used to discredit the investigation and result.

    Ideally as I stated, the reforms and investigation should come from within, but that aint possible due to the way FIFA is set up.
    It wasn't easy to find, but your main objection to the US involvement with this particular FIFA investigation is because the US reserves the right to intervene in transactions involving US currency? Heavy handed, no doubt, but jees, let it play out and see how it goes.

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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    It wasn't easy to find, but your main objection to the US involvement with this particular FIFA investigation is because the US reserves the right to intervene in transactions involving US currency? Heavy handed, no doubt, but jees, let it play out and see how it goes.
    Some people are just afflicted by kneejerk anti-Americanism. Often an incurable condition.

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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, if the bids were, in fact, rigged, the 2018 and 2022 World Cups should be moved to the runner-up cities. That the scheduled host cities/countries incurred expenses in preparation would serve as a reminder that corruption doesn't pay and can actually be quite expensive. The individuals responsible should also be held fully accountable.
    Too late to move the 2018 Cup. Not too late to yank the 2022 Cup from Qatar, which was a far more corrupt process.
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