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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I am a bit torn about this.... and angry.

    On the one hand, it is great that there is finally a real investigation into FIFA and corruption. It is time the top of world football is cleaned up. It wont get rid of Blatter though.

    But that it is being lead by a US prosecutor does not exactly scream either legitimacy nor confidence as corruption is rampant in US business and political life and nothing happens there. Not to mention it took this long for them to do anything is kinda... FIFA kicked out the US member who admitted corruption like a decade ago, and the FBI only now does something.. come on.
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    Everyone knows that hosting the World Cup is and always has been only possible against bribes. We also know how successful EU countries have been at attracting them. We also know that they have not done anything about it, though, the suspicion bordered on certainty. Their judiciaries knew this and and did nothing, even when it was their own people that must have arranged for the payments.

    But the FIFA stuff aside. That is only leisure fun and games. Coming from Europe, I do not think I would in your place rage over US corruption. I know that is a favorite and to say that one's own country is practically free of such slime. I remember Kohl once fuming like you are, when Airbus was caught bribing and another time, when a donor of his was fingered for building a chemical weapons factory in Libya. But I cannot really judge Denmark, but I can France, Spain and Germany quite well, indeed. If Denmark is at all like them, then you have a lot of work to do at home and in any event in the EU. So rant and rave about Blatter, if you want. But do something productive and don't point your moralizing finger at someone who is.

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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    my list was USA, Germany, France, UK, barely Italy, and possibly Brazil
    Brazil just had it, so that wont happen.. But some corrections here before the English and Scots start to attack!

    It is England.. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (and British Virgin Islands, Gibraltar and 5+ more "nations")... the UK does not exist in FIFA.

    But countries that could take over easily are

    France, Germany, England, Spain, Holland, Belgium, Italy, US, Japan and Australia. Portugal might manage it also. But I doubt it will happen, and unless there is absolute proof that there was corruption involved, then it should not happen.

    I feel for the workers in Qatar, but that practice has been going on in the Arabian peninsula for almost 100 years and the fact that you have "cheap" oil today, is because of practices like this in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. You defended practices like this in Desert Storm.. your troops lived in bases built by "slave labour". So coming now and chastising Qatar for something that has been going on for 50+ years without a peep from the very same countries when it involved oil.. is just pathetic. Qatar is reforming but the rest of the countries are not.. funny how that goes eh? Where are the moaning about slave labour in Dubai? Or Kuwait? No where.
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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    World Cup bids aren't to cities. Anyways, bids are usually awarded almost 8 years out for a reason. Most countries can't handle the infrastructure and logistics of setting this up overnight (~3 years).
    There are about 5 or 6 countries that in theory could pick up 2018 right now, and about 2 or 3 if this drags more than a year. 1 if it drags to 2017.
    Mental slip-up on my part. I was thinking the Olympics when referring to cities. Obviously, the winning bids being investigated by Switzerland concern Russia and Qatar. Your point about the infrastructure is a good one. Perhaps if a runner-up doesn't have the infrastructure in place or can't get it in place in time for 2018, assuming that bid was rigged, the World Cup should be moved to one of the most recent prior host countries. The 2022 World Cup is still seven years away, so it probably can be managed on a somewhat tighter than usual schedule.

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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Everyone knows that hosting the World Cup is and always has been only possible against bribes. We also know how successful EU countries have been at attracting them. We also know that they have not done anything about it, though, the suspicion bordered on certainty. Their judiciaries knew this and and did nothing, even when it was their own people that must have arranged for the payments.
    You had me interested until you mixed the EU into this discussion..

    But the FIFA stuff aside. That is only leisure fun and games. Coming from Europe, I do not think I would in your place rage over US corruption. I know that is a favorite and to say that one's own country is practically free of such slime. I remember Kohl once fuming like you are, when Airbus was caught bribing and another time, when a donor of his was fingered for building a chemical weapons factory in Libya. But I cannot really judge Denmark, but I can France, Spain and Germany quite well, indeed. If Denmark is at all like them, then you have a lot of work to do at home and in any event in the EU. So rant and rave about Blatter, if you want. But do something productive and don't point your moralizing finger at someone who is.
    Again the EU....
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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    You are incorrect about the transaction taking place in Euros. As I said, it was hard to find the story you referenced: US snubs out legal cigar transaction | The Post. Personally I'd rather the US not do this, but at least complain about the facts of that case. Well, back to the case at hand:

    Do you have anything other than innuendo to back up that the Sponsors did something wrong? FIFA has been screwing with sponsors as well: MasterCard, FIFA settle World Cup sponsor fight | Reuters. Can you identify any stories where the sponsors have done something wrong?

    I think in this case, the US is the perfect stooge to do what the rest of the world hasn't done. Why? Because the US is big enough to matter in the world of FIFA but soccer isn't big enough to matter to the general US population. In other words, FIFA needs the US more than the US needs FIFA. How true is that for other countries?
    That's a good question, and one of my first thoughts was that soccer isn't all that big here.

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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Brazil just had it, so that wont happen.. But some corrections here before the English and Scots start to attack!

    It is England.. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (and British Virgin Islands, Gibraltar and 5+ more "nations")... the UK does not exist in FIFA.

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    you are correct, I haven't had my coffee yet. I disagree on Spain and Portugal though, their economies are too tanked at the moment.

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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Mental slip-up on my part. I was thinking the Olympics when referring to cities. Obviously, the winning bids being investigated by Switzerland concern Russia and Qatar. Your point about the infrastructure is a good one. Perhaps if a runner-up doesn't have the infrastructure in place or can't get it in place in time for 2018, assuming that bid was rigged, the World Cup should be moved to one of the most recent prior host countries. The 2022 World Cup is still seven years away, so it probably can be managed on a somewhat tighter than usual schedule.
    Infrastructure is the key to holding such an event. That is why England, Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany and the US can hold such an event without much effort if need be.
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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Frankly, FIFA looks more and more like an international criminal organization. Maybe it should simply be disbanded and some time should be given to the various national and regional footbal associations to build something new. In the meantime the World Cup can be suspended for a while.

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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I am a bit torn about this.... and angry.

    On the one hand, it is great that there is finally a real investigation into FIFA and corruption. It is time the top of world football is cleaned up. It wont get rid of Blatter though.

    But that it is being lead by a US prosecutor does not exactly scream either legitimacy nor confidence as corruption is rampant in US business and political life and nothing happens there. Not to mention it took this long for them to do anything is kinda... FIFA kicked out the US member who admitted corruption like a decade ago, and the FBI only now does something.. come on.

    On top of that, the fact that it took the actions of the FBI to kick the Swiss into action with their own investigation also pisses me off. People have been complaining for years but the Swiss have not done a thing. But then again no one in FIFA of the "rebels" have done a thing either when it comes to pushing for reforms or investigations outside FIFA.

    I am afraid that the Swiss and US investigations especially into the Russia bid, will become geo-political big time and have absolutely nothing to do with corruption.. but everything to do with sticking it to Putin. The same goes somewhat for the Qatar bid. We all know how Russia got the WC, and it was open and transparent.

    I hope that this will lead to reforms.. removing the UKs privileged status in FIFA, making elections more transparent and fair and basically making the whole organisation a true global one. Would also love to get rid of all these non-nations that are FIFA members and have "national teams".. totally screws with the over all power in the organisation.. all it is, is an attempt to give more power to specific nations. I mean what on earth does American Samoa, Gibraltar, Faroe Islands, British Virgin Islands, Cook Islands, and others have to do with sovereign nations? These places are full voting members of FIFA on the same level as Germany and Spain, but everyone knows that they are proxies for the US, UK and Denmark (Faero Islands), basically giving those countries far more power than they should have.

    Now will reforms happen? Some how I doubt it as the "rebels" are being lead in large part by the English FA, who are not exactly the biggest reformers in world football and have been implicated in past corruption.. plus considering they sit on 2 to 3 board places in FIFA already, their motivation to actually reform FIFA might be more words than actual bark.

    US started the investigation because Chuck Blazer was an FBI informant who provided documents detailing that bribery took place on US soil and via US Banks. Swiss opened their own investigation in March 2015 based on information shown to them by FBI.
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    Re: Swiss Authorities to Investigate FIFA Over 2018 and 2022 World Cup Bids

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You had me interested until you mixed the EU into this discussion..

    Again the EU....
    Well, the last time I was concerned with corruption, it was in context of the debt that Greece has to the EZB. Of course, you are right to point out that that is not EU but Euroland.

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