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Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South China

Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

It's a non issue. China hasn't threatened to impede the shipping lanes, nor would they. This is about a US pivot towards containment of China, denying them a rise to power that has the neocons unraveling. Four years ago Obama made a speech in Australia that was directed straight at Beijing, so stern was it, that some Australian politicians were incensed by it because of the trade status between the two nations, they didn't appreciate the American president attacking China so from their country. We also are constructing a huge base in Guam, seeking to regain use of vietnams deep water port and negotiating the use of Filipino military bases!!!!! Looking at a map of the region, why in the hell wouldn't China be concerned? China is responding to US activities in their region, it's not them being the aggressors. Looks quite clearly to me that China is preparing themselves for a war that America is bringing to them.

there's not going to be a war with China, because neither side would win.
 
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You don't understand **** Jack, I mean jack ****. Everybody thinks his country is the best. America has done lots of great things here and for others. That's the easy part to focus on. It's those things that are stains on our history that are difficult for most people to admit, preferring to ignore, excuse, justify, or like you, just deny.

I don't deny anything, but I don't "blame America first" or blindly accept every scurrilous propaganda meme either.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

every empire tries to maintain its maximum sphere of influence / dominance, and most of them end up collapsing in on themselves. i'd prefer to see us take a different path and be a country instead.






a far east pissing match over some islands is their bar fight, not ours. if they want to pummel each other over nothing, that's their prerogative. we have infrastructure to build, people who need jobs, and kids who we should be sending to college instead.

And retreating from Asia would make all that harder.
 
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Yes they do, and not only do they have treaty titles to them, they have written international acknowledgements of their ownership of them.

I guess that's why they're routinely referred to as "disputed."
 
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I think (hope) a war with China is extremely unlikely. It would no doubt be devastating to both nations.
Would this have even been possible if Chamber of commerce republican and democrat scum did not sign a trade deal with China? What they **** did they think China was going to do with all that revenue? Help the poor?Ha.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Would this have even been possible if Chamber of commerce republican and democrat scum did not sign a trade deal with China? What they **** did they think China was going to do with all that revenue? Help the poor?Ha.

There are many trading partners and China was going to become wealthy as soon as they freed up their economy, no matter what we did. The Economist predicted that thirty years ago. By establishing normal trade relations with China we enriched ourselves as well. And btw, economic development has indeed lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty.
 
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And retreating from Asia would make all that harder.

the **** it would. war with China would be national suicide, so it won't happen.

but just for ****s and giggles, are you going to stop buying Chinese made goods while we bump chests with them over a war that's not going to happen?
 
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the **** it would. war with China would be national suicide, so it won't happen.

but just for ****s and giggles, are you going to stop buying Chinese made goods while we bump chests with them over a war that's not going to happen?

I'm not going to change my economic behavior in any way. Nor should I. Nor should anyone else.
 
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There are many trading partners and China was going to become wealthy as soon as they freed up their economy, no matter what we did. The Economist predicted that thirty years ago. By establishing normal trade relations with China we enriched ourselves as well. And btw, economic development has indeed lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty.

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

I read today that China is spending at least one trillion dollars (American) creating a new "Silk Road" through Western China. This will bring modern conveniences, like tap water, to over 600 million people in that part of the country, which is mostly rural. They are providing construction jobs, so they hope to bring prosperity to a very poor area, and it is anticipated that many little towns will spring up along the road to provide places for travelers to eat and sleep. :thumbs:
 
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I'm not going to change my economic behavior in any way. Nor should I. Nor should anyone else.

yep, you sure wouldn't. most other hawks wouldn't, either. that is one more reason that there will be no war with China : economics. ****, these days, that's probably an even more compelling deterrent than MAD.

i appreciate you answering the question directly, though.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

yep, you sure wouldn't. most other hawks wouldn't, either. that is one more reason that there will be no war with China : economics. ****, these days, that's probably an even more compelling deterrent than MAD.

i appreciate you answering the question directly, though.

Purchases of Chinese consumer goods have zero bearing on the topic of this thread.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

I read today that China is spending at least one trillion dollars (American) creating a new "Silk Road" through Western China. This will bring modern conveniences, like tap water, to over 600 million people in that part of the country, which is mostly rural. They are providing construction jobs, so they hope to bring prosperity to a very poor area, and it is anticipated that many little towns will spring up along the road to provide places for travelers to eat and sleep. :thumbs:

Greetings Polgara.:2wave:

That sounds distressingly like the Great Leap Forward of the late 1950's. That didn't work out well.
 
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there's not going to be a war with China, because neither side would win.

I wouldn't bet on that. But certainly would hope you're right. I do believe the US would win though. It's just that the price tag wouldn't even remotely resemble that of Iraq's.
 
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Purchases of Chinese consumer goods have zero bearing on the topic of this thread.

please tell me that you're joking. you know what pays for the Chinese weapons in the fictional war over islands that's not going to happen, right?
 
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I don't deny anything, but I don't "blame America first" or blindly accept every scurrilous propaganda meme either.

America shouldn't be blamed first, or last, it should just be blamed for its failed or criminal policies when it pursues them.
 
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I wouldn't bet on that. But certainly would hope you're right. I do believe the US would win though. It's just that the price tag wouldn't even remotely resemble that of Iraq's.

the US would not win. in a modern nuclear war between superpowers, everyone loses.
 
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please tell me that you're joking. you know what pays for the Chinese weapons in the fictional war over islands that's not going to happen, right?

Chinese military industry is not dependent on trade with the U.S.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

America shouldn't be blamed first, or last, it should just be blamed for its failed or criminal policies when it pursues them.

Which you seem to see everywhere.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Chinese military industry is not dependent on trade with the U.S.

ok, i'm calling bull****. no one can possibly believe that China's economy and revenue stream (and therefore its ability to fund an army and make weapons) doesn't significantly depend on its manufacturing sector and the first world, especially the US, buying its goods.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

ok, i'm calling bull****. no one can possibly believe that China's economy and revenue stream (and therefore its ability to fund an army and make weapons) doesn't significantly depend on its manufacturing sector and the first world, especially the US, buying its goods.

That's not the way Chinese military industry works.
 
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That's not the way Chinese military industry works.

and what do you imagine funds it? do they just pass the hat at party meetings and the manufacturing sector's revenue has nothing to do with it? FFS.
 
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Chinese military industry is not dependent on trade with the U.S.

The Chinese hold a $4 trillion surplus as a result of trade imbalances and perhaps good economic planning. The USA goes another $Trillion in the hole every year. Comeuppance is unavoidable, but what does comeuppance represent in World economics based upon a currency based upon "FAITH." At this moment in time, if I were China, I would be getting rid of those dollars while they are at a relative high and buying the banks that would collapse as a result. About $2 trillion of liquidity would be injected into the Fed, but what would China get in return. Gold mines, National Parks, oil leases, timber leases, railroads, etc. are possibilities? Weapons? The Saudis seem to be for sale, perhaps a rental kingdom?
 
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and what do you imagine funds it? do they just pass the hat at party meetings and the manufacturing sector's revenue has nothing to do with it? FFS.

The same way it has run since 1949. Chinese military industry is command driven, as is military industry in Russia.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Greetings Polgara.:2wave:

That sounds distressingly like the Great Leap Forward of the late 1950's. That didn't work out well.

It should encourage tourism, which should be helpful to their economy, and perhaps it will be. China today seems to have learned the benefits associated with capitalism, even though they are still a communist country. Their people seem to be hard workers, and eager to make money. With a population of over 1.3 billion people, one out of every five people alive today live in China. That's remarkable, and I wish them well in making improvements wherever they can. :thumbs:
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

I guess that's why they're routinely referred to as "disputed."

That makes no sense, the other claimants have no such things to point at. Also, Taiwan claims all of the Spratly's, which means that they aren't just stepping on China's title, but the claims of Malaysia, Vietnam, Brunei and the Philippines, which for some seem to be no problem whatsoever.
 
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