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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post

    In the scenario I suggested, we would have to have Offence treaties. I think the US with your support is spoiling for a fight with China. Don't forget Obama's trip to and speech in Australia in 2011.
    I've already detailed briefly what I support, and you refuse to acknowledge it in the interest of furthering an argument with others, apparently.

    This should be for those six nations with overlapping claims to iron out. The only way that the US has an ounce of (questionable) legitimacy in this, is to stay the **** out, until, China attacks a nation that we have defense treaties with.
    China is busily attaching MVRs to existing ballistic missiles and has deployed the same on nuclear submarines. We have an existential interest in their military constructions in those islands, and in spite of their as yet unsubstantiated claims to those islands, their self-proclaimed exclusion zone doesn't cut the mustard, as I've pointed out to you several times. Carry on. I've lost interest.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You really need to know more before you post so assertively.

    China’s dangerous provocation demands a response from the U.S.

    Editorial Board MAY 26
    The United States must hold firm against the Asian giant’s buildup in the Spratly Islands.

    "THE UNITED States last week stepped up its efforts to call attention to China’s massive and provocative expansion of infrastructure in a disputed portion of the South China Sea. The Navy invited CNN aboard a surveillance flight and released video the next day of what one U.S. official called an attempt “to make sovereign land out of sand castles” in the Spratly Islands. The flight by a P-8A Poseidon aircraft drew eight warnings from the Chinese navy and an angry denunciation by the Chinese Foreign Ministry, which called it “very irresponsible and also very dangerous.” But the U.S. action was legal and appropriate. . . .

    "Other nations have reclaimed land and built installations in the Spratlys. But China’s operation stands out for its scale and speed and for the brazenness with which the regime of Xi Jinping advances questionable territorial claims while rejecting international mediation or a negotiated code of conduct. Relying on a slapdash map dating to the 1940s, which consists of nine dashes across the waters east of China, Beijing claims 80 percent of the South China Sea, which is crisscrossed by international shipping lanes. It seeks to exclude foreign ships and planes from a 200-mile zone around its claimed territory, rather than the 12 miles recognized by the United States. . . . "

    Here was a map Pos showed me last year. He is in Italy probably drinking some wine. So I say Salute!

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    You're perfectly content with your source that no one else can see.

    mmhmm... You're content with lies.

    Actually, anyone that is remotely familiar with those exercises would have gotten the reference, and known it was completely tangential to my post.

    Clearly, you aren't one of those people.

    No, the information is not available over the internet.

    Get over it.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    We've already seen, in Cuba in 1962, what one nuclear power did in a confrontation with another nuclear power that had roughly ten times as many weapons. The U.S. advantage over China in that department is more like twenty to one. Going up against six thousand hydrogen bombs is likely to cause second thoughts. And what's worse for the nation going up against them, many of those weapons are in missile submarines whose locations are unknown. That means they might be launched from only a hundred miles or so off the coast, reducing the time to react almost to nothing. As far as I've heard, China does not yet have subs like that. But the U.S. has quite a few of them, each one carrying as many as two dozen missiles loaded with maybe one hundred or more nuclear weapons.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    Actually, anyone that is remotely familiar with those exercises would have gotten the reference, and known it was completely tangential to my post.

    Clearly, you aren't one of those people.

    No, the information is not available over the internet.

    Get over it.

    Again, enjoy your afternoon.
    Again, your claim is bull**** until you can get something.

    I don't care about "anyone remotely familiar" because until someone extremely reputable here concurs with your statement (Oozlefinch), it's false.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The Philippines knows that. They will not initiate hostilities.
    It will be China that goes that route.
    The present Poobah has been quite keen on playing to China's nationalists. Note the incursion the other year into Indian territory, set up camp and stayed for a tad. No innocent error in border crossing.
    Once that comes into play, like any battle plan, only lasts till first contact, then it takes on a way of its own.
    Then they are cornered into a Military response.


    Heya JF. Vietnam, and the Philippines with Japan have all given the invite to the US. Moreover this global economic hub can't be allowed to become like the ME. Since it will affect everyone.



    Philippines offers U.S. forces access to military bases

    The Philippines has agreed to allow the United States access to its military bases under a new security deal being negotiated by the two allies, amid mounting concern over China's increasing assertiveness in the disputed waters of the South China Sea. The United States plans to "rebalance" its forces in Asia-Pacific region, and has similar arrangements with Australia and Singapore, as part of its strategy to counter China. The new agreement on enhanced defense cooperation will allow the United States increased deployment of troops, ships, aircraft and humanitarian equipment.

    The dispute revolves round competing claims over the Spratlys, a group of 250 uninhabitable islets spread over 165,000 square miles.

    On Sunday, three Chinese coast guard ships stopped two Filipino civilian vessels from delivering food, water and construction materials to troops based on a ship that was deliberately run aground on reef in the Spratlys in 1999 to reinforce the Philippines' claim. Manila called the Chinese actions "a clear and urgent threat to the rights and interests of the Philippines". Under the draft accord, the Philippines will allow U.S. forces joint use of facilities in several military bases like Manila, Clark, Palawan, Cebu, Nueva Ecija, and La Union, a military official with knowledge of the negotiations.....snip~

    Philippines offers U.S. forces access to military bases | Reuters

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Here was a map Pos showed me last year. He is in Italy probably drinking some wine. So I say Salute!

    I'm not certain, while the Chinese were drawing lines, why they stopped where they did. I mean, there's Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia, and a lot of other 'ia's' they might as well claim while they're at it. We're just fortunate they didn't claim parts of the U.S., although if they claimed California, it'd be just another "ia", and not that many would complain.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    That sounds like it's not certain that as of today, even one of these things is operating yet. I wonder when the Japanese and South Koreans will start building some of their own in response to the potential threat. If I were in their position, I would think that American nuclear umbrella had developed quite a few holes during the past six years.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Again, your claim is bull**** until you can get something.

    I don't care about "anyone remotely familiar" because until someone extremely reputable here concurs with your statement (Oozlefinch), it's false.




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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I'm not certain, while the Chinese were drawing lines, why they stopped where they did. I mean, there's Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia, and a lot of other 'ia's' they might as well claim while they're at it. We're just fortunate they didn't claim parts of the U.S., although if they claimed California, it'd be just another "ia", and not that many would complain.
    Reminds me somewhat of how Japan conceived, in the 1930's, of the vast areas that were to be under its control.

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