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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    That info is not (that I know of) available on the internet.

    And before you start... That really wasn't the point of my post.

    You're welcome to take it or leave it.
    Concession accepted. Next time, don't make stupid, bogus claims. Here was the closest thing I could find to this.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    One cannot act aggressively when defending their territory. And China has several forms of title to the Spratlys, the others none. And China has accussed the others, save Brunei, of their own aggressive actions over the years in building military infrastructures on various islands in the archipelago, as well as stationing troops on them. This is NOT this cut and dry situation that the "hate China" crowd depicts. I suppose your amongst the party of hawks that even thinks China's pursuit of its interests in the South China Sea are worthy of a military response???
    Why do they not take it to the UN??????
    There are settlement mechanisms in the Laws of the Seas Convention.
    United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Why, because a substantial portion of their claims are groundless.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Would you stop it with your bull**** rhetoric. China isn't threatening merchant ship travel in the shipping lanes in the straight.
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    Oh, 1999. In this instance, the older the better. China has the strongest proof of title of any of the claimants. And the Us doesn't have a dog in this race, beyond it's typical intrusion and interference in regional issues that they have no business in.
    You really need to know more before you post so assertively.

    China’s dangerous provocation demands a response from the U.S.

    Editorial Board MAY 26
    The United States must hold firm against the Asian giant’s buildup in the Spratly Islands.

    "THE UNITED States last week stepped up its efforts to call attention to China’s massive and provocative expansion of infrastructure in a disputed portion of the South China Sea. The Navy invited CNN aboard a surveillance flight and released video the next day of what one U.S. official called an attempt “to make sovereign land out of sand castles” in the Spratly Islands. The flight by a P-8A Poseidon aircraft drew eight warnings from the Chinese navy and an angry denunciation by the Chinese Foreign Ministry, which called it “very irresponsible and also very dangerous.” But the U.S. action was legal and appropriate. . . .

    "Other nations have reclaimed land and built installations in the Spratlys. But China’s operation stands out for its scale and speed and for the brazenness with which the regime of Xi Jinping advances questionable territorial claims while rejecting international mediation or a negotiated code of conduct. Relying on a slapdash map dating to the 1940s, which consists of nine dashes across the waters east of China, Beijing claims 80 percent of the South China Sea, which is crisscrossed by international shipping lanes. It seeks to exclude foreign ships and planes from a 200-mile zone around its claimed territory, rather than the 12 miles recognized by the United States. . . . "
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You're not defending the Philippines by supporting them if they attack China. But besides that, all such treaties exist for the sole purpose of the US to feign legitimacy in interfering where it has no business.
    The Philippines knows that. They will not initiate hostilities.
    It will be China that goes that route.
    The present Poobah has been quite keen on playing to China's nationalists. Note the incursion the other year into Indian territory, set up camp and stayed for a tad. No innocent error in border crossing.
    Once that comes into play, like any battle plan, only lasts till first contact, then it takes on a way of its own.
    Then they are cornered into a Military response.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    China will do nothing against America.

    As Fenton said above, they need America too much.

    This will probably end in some international court that will decide it. Then China will ignore it. And then just before America starts putting sanctions on Chinese imports, China will back down just enough to avoid sanctions...but the problem will continue to simmer for years.
    China is VERY protective of land it considers as historically Chinese. But they are also somewhat pragmatic and they fully realize that loss of U.S. (and probably Europe) trade would hurt them SO much that it could send the economy into recession. And the only thing keeping their leaders in power is a growing economy.
    Take that away and their people will get real tired REAL fast of the repressive regime they live under...and the Chinese government must know this.

    Nothing will come of this situation...for at least many years.
    China's targets are its neighbors rather than the US. In the current matter China's goal is to undermine the US defense commitment to China's neighbors, and to cause those neighbors to doubt US resolve.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Concession accepted. Next time, don't make stupid, bogus claims. Here was the closest thing I could find to this.

    Think Tank: China Beats U.S. in Simulated Taiwan Air War | WIRED

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Apparently you are under the false impression that the US is one of the six countries with overlapping claims to those islands. It's also apparent, you're rubbing your hands together with anticipation of another fight somewhere. Sick dude!
    Apparently you weren't aware of what BO and his Team had to say.....that made a point clear. Once China tried to invoke an Air Defense Zone over International Waters. When its allies and friends asked for some assurance.

    That which China did all with their own little actions. Like they did attacking little civilian fishing boats. Which you seems to give them a pass on. Now that's just sick killing unarmed civilians with no way to fight back. Do you enjoy it that much that all you can come up with is.....its the US who is at fault?






    Hagel: China territorial claims destabilize region.....

    SINGAPORE (AP) — Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel warned an international security conference Saturday that the U.S. "will not look the other way" when nations such as China try to restrict navigation or ignore international rules and standards. China's territorial claims in the South China Sea are destabilizing the region, and its failure to resolve disputes with other nations threatens East Asia's long-term progress, Hagel said.

    Lt. Gen. Wang Guanzhong, deputy chief of the General Staff, told Hagel, "You were very candid this morning and, to be frank, more than our expectation." He added, "although I do think that those criticisms are groundless, I do appreciate your candor."

    Reporters had to leave the room before Hagel responded. But Pentagon press secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby said Hagel told Wang that all regional disputes should be solved through diplomacy, and he encouraged China to foster dialogue with neighboring nations......snip~

    Hagel: China territorial claims destabilize region

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    China's targets are its neighbors rather than the US. In the current matter China's goal is to undermine the US defense commitment to China's neighbors, and to cause those neighbors to doubt US resolve.
    China does not care about American resolve. China only cares about China. They have never militarily fought outside their historical borders and there is no reason for them to start now.
    Unlike America, they are usually smart enough to concentrate on economics and not on policing the world (like America does with money it does not have).

    China has never cared about America (they are a VERY inward looking people) and they do not care now.

    You want to believe otherwise, be my guest.

    But there is nothing you can say that will change my mind on this so there is no point in further discussion.


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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    China does not care about American resolve. China only cares about China. They have never militarily fought outside their historical borders and there is no reason for them to start now.
    Unlike America, they are usually smart enough to concentrate on economics and not on policing the world (like America does with money it does not have).

    China has never cared about America (they are a VERY inward looking people) and they do not care now.

    You want to believe otherwise, be my guest.

    But there is nothing you can say that will change my mind on this so there is no point in further discussion.


    Good day.
    If you will re-read my previous post you will find that I agree more than disagree with you. China intends to dominate its neighbors. The US is only important insofar as we impede that.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    I'm not known for making casual or false comments on this board. But I've never really interacted with you, either.

    I'm perfectly content with my source.

    Enjoy your afternoon.
    You're perfectly content with your source that no one else can see.

    mmhmm... You're content with lies.
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