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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I prefer US made goods because they're of superior quality. The disputes over these islands have been ongoing, and I've followed it generally for some years - but only through press releases until recently. I'm not a hawk. I do believe that perhaps a show of resolve now could foster a just resolution of all the conflicting claims and avoid a potentially far more serious conflict later. Over half of the world's shipping passes through those waters. No single nation should control that water way. If we allow that - and by "we" I include all of the the nations directly and indirectly affected (which is huge) - then a far more serious situation may develop over which US influence will mean little. It will affect all of the Asian subcontinent and the western Pacific as well as the already inflamed ME.
    if this shipping lane is so vital to the world, then perhaps the world should assert its influence and let China know that shipping will continue through that region regardless of who claims the islands. the US should not be expected to take the lead in every global pissing match.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    This will be resolved by negotiations – Multilateral as first agreed upon by China.
    While some portions of China’s claim is legitimate, a good portion is not.

    Philippines Counters China in New South China Sea Case Submission | The Diplomat


    The Philippines submitted 3,000 pages rebutting China’s claim that an international body does not have the jurisdiction to decide on Manila’s South China Sea complaints. The Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs said the supplemental documentation had been submitted to the Permanent Court of Arbitration on Monday.

    China has refused to official participate in the case, saying it does not accept international arbitration over the South China Sea disputes. However, Beijing did openly release a position paper making clear its objections to the arbitration process. In particular, China argued that the arbitral tribunal does not have the jurisdiction to decide the case. Beijing also rebutted Manila’s arguments that China’s nine-dash line claim in inconsistent with the principles of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if this shipping lane is so vital to the world, then perhaps the world should assert its influence and let China know that shipping will continue through that region regardless of who claims the islands. the US should not be expected to take the lead in every global pissing match.
    The lane is that important. I agree that we shouldn't get involved in some of that which we are, but this is a situation in which we should be involved.

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    1. Herbert London: Chinese Aggression In The South China SeaWAMC‎ - 6 hours ago

      Recognizing the unwillingness of the Obama administration to assert itself in foreign affairs, the Chinese government has engaged in a major strategic effort to maintain sovereignty over the vast South China Sea, a body of water larger than the Mediterranean and an area long recognized as sea lanes under international law. Fifty percent of the world’s maritime trade in tonnage passes through this body of water. By any stretch, this Chinese gambit is reckless, breathtaking, dangerous, and imperial. . . .
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    The lane is that important. I agree that we shouldn't get involved in some of that which we are, but this is a situation in which we should be involved.
    so what do you propose? what are we going to do, and what's the rest of the world going to do to help keep this vital lane open? what does the plan look like?

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    so what do you propose? what are we going to do, and what's the rest of the world going to do to help keep this vital lane open? what does the plan look like?
    The US Navy will conduct "freedom of navigation operations" just as they have for decades.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    The US Navy will conduct "freedom of navigation operations" just as they have for decades.
    yes, we already know that you support escalation and that you aren't even willing to change your purchasing habits in order to support the effort. i'm wondering what humbolt supports, which is why the post was addressed to humbolt.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    so what do you propose? what are we going to do, and what's the rest of the world going to do to help keep this vital lane open? what does the plan look like?
    Exactly how that is done I'll leave to professionals who do that for a living.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Exactly how that is done I'll leave to professionals who do that for a living.
    well, we should at least discuss the plan, right? that's kind of important.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yes, we already know that you support escalation and that you aren't even willing to change your purchasing habits in order to support the effort. i'm wondering what humbolt supports, which is why the post was addressed to humbolt.
    I'm reluctant to use such language, but you're actually promoting a falsehood. Continuing operations we have conducted in that area for over 50 years is not escalation.
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