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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I suggest you read this carefully and completely:

    http://www.un.org/depts/los/nippon/u...06_vietnam.pdf
    I suggest you read the entirety of posts 558&559!!!!!! And, you need to know that China will defend this. Hope the fight is worth it to you.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    International Recognition Of China's Sovereignty over the Nansha Islands

    The Spratly Islands (Chinese: Nánshā Qúndǎo (南沙群岛)

    A. Many countries, world public opinions and publications of other countries recognize the Nansha Islands as Chinese territory.

    1. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and the Northern Island

    a) China Sea Pilot compiled and printed by the Hydrography Department of the Royal Navy of the United Kingdom in 1912 has accounts of the activities of the Chinese people on the Nansha Islands in a number of places.

    b) The Far Eastern Economic Review (Hong Kong) carried an article on Dec. 31 of 1973 which quotes the British High Commissioner to Singapore as having said in 1970: "Spratly Island (Nanwei Island in Chinese) was a Chinese dependency, part of Kwangtung Province… and was returned to China after the war. We can not find any indication of its having been acquired by any other country and so can only conclude it is still held by communist China."

    2. France

    a) Le Monde Colonial Illustre mentioned the Nansha Islands in its September 1933 issue. According to that issue, when a French gunboat named Malicieuse surveyed the Nanwei Island of the Nansha Islands in 1930, they saw three Chinese on the island and when France invaded nine of the Nansha Islands by force in April 1933, they found all the people on the islands were Chinese, with 7 Chinese on the Nanzi Reef, 5 on the Zhongye Island, 4 on the Nanwei Island, thatched houses, water wells and holy statues left by Chinese on the Nanyue Island and a signboard with Chinese characters marking a grain storage on the Taiping Island.

    b) Atlas International Larousse published in 1965 in France marks the Xisha, Nansha and Dongsha Islands by their Chinese names and gives clear indication of their ownership as China in brackets.

    3) Japan

    a) Yearbook of New China published in Japan in 1966 describes the coastline of China as 11 thousand kilometers long from Liaodong Peninsula in the north to the Nansha Islands in the south, or 20 thousand kilometers if including the coastlines of all the islands along its coast;

    b) Yearbook of the World published in Japan in 1972 says that Chinese territory includes not only the mainland, but also Hainan Island, Taiwan, Penghu Islands as well as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands on the South China Sea.

    4. The United States

    a) Columbia Lippincott World Toponymic Dictionary published in the United States in 1961 states that the Nansha Islands on the South China Sea are part of Guangdong Province and belong to China.

    b) The Worldmark Encyclopaedia of the Nations published in the United States in 1963 says that the islands of the People's Republic extend southward to include those isles and coral reefs on the South China Sea at the north latitude 4°.

    c) World Administrative Divisions Encyclopaedia published in 1971 says that the People's Republic has a number of archipelagoes, including Hainan Island near the South China Sea, which is the largest, and a few others on the South China Sea extending to as far as the north latitude 4°, such as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands.

    5) Vietnam

    a) Vice Foreign Minister Dung Van Khiem of the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam received Mr. Li Zhimin, charge d'affaires ad interim of the Chinese Embassy in Viet Nam and told him that "according to Vietnamese data, the Xisha and Nansha Islands are historically part of Chinese territory." Mr. Le Doc, Acting Director of the Asian Department of the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry, who was present then, added that "judging from history, these islands were already part of China at the time of the Song Dynasty."

    b) Nhan Dan of Viet Nam reported in great detail on September 6, 1958 the Chinese Government's Declaration of September 4, 1958 that the breadth of the territorial sea of the People's Republic of China should be 12 nautical miles and that this provision should apply to all territories of the People's Republic of China, including all islands on the South China Sea. On September 14 the same year, Premier Pham Van Dong of the Vietnamese Government solemnly stated in his note to Premier Zhou Enlai that Viet Nam "recognizes and supports the Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's territorial sea."
    Atlas's, encyclopedias, and maps by western countries, not worth squat.
    And the Vietnamese renounced that agreement with China after the US war was over. Now you know that as well as I.
    Your reasoning on this by using such links, well they are not credible.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    A few decades?? to be precise, 22 years.
    And the French did not control the Philippines, Spain did.
    Again the French cannot sign away another countries rights.
    What are you talking about??? I already pointed out long ago in this thread that the US took possession of the Philippines thru conquest by defeating Spain and taking it from them. You have such a convoluted hypocritical one sided view of the legitimacy of conquest. And after 60 pages of arguing with you about this, I'll just tell you what I told humbolt, I hope the fight your willing to give is worth it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Atlas's, encyclopedias, and maps by western countries, not worth squat.
    And the Vietnamese renounced that agreement with China after the US war was over. Now you know that as well as I.
    Your reasoning on this by using such links, well they are not credible.
    Tell that to the Chinese!
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I suggest you read the entirety of posts 558&559!!!!!! And, you need to know that China will defend this. Hope the fight is worth it to you.
    I have, which is why I suggested you read the link in my previous post. Obviously you have not, and as a result you will continue to spout nonsense.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Lower prices enrich all Americans.
    Not the Americans who lost their jobs due to outsourcing.Not Americans as a whole when we no longer make anything or when the Chinese become a problem for us.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What are you talking about??? I already pointed out long ago in this thread that the US took possession of the Philippines thru conquest by defeating Spain and taking it from them. You have such a convoluted hypocritical one sided view of the legitimacy of conquest. And after 60 pages of arguing with you about this, I'll just tell you what I told humbolt, I hope the fight your willing to give is worth it.
    This will not come to a war.Wait and see what the Court of Arbitration rules on the Philippine - China claims.
    Not one sided, how can the French give up territory that may belong to the Philippines?
    How can you justify China claiming other countries territorial waters?
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Tell that to the Chinese!
    Oh I am sure they know.
    They also know while they have substantive claims, the area they claimed (9 dotted line) would & will not hold up legally.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Cold War II you say. Who'd a thunk it. Initiate some bellicose foreign policy comments and make ridiculous demands upon Russia and China and pretty soon we got the old Cold War Fear, like Drug War fear, and Terror War fear, and Fear for the sake of Military Industrial Corporate profits. There's gonna' be some money made here, don't ya' know? The Pentagon narrative will get top billing in the USA Media as if it's the God's honest truth. Noone will say that the Military Industrial Complex is pushing a new marketing agenda to create demand for more and bigger weapons, and they're gonna be very expensive. Hot dam, Mon, and we got new boogie man created for the Media stenographers. Be afraid, be very afraid, the boogie man gonna get ya'. Vote for Lindsey Graham and get lots more wars or war noises and more war contracts. Don't ya' just love Corporatism in the USA. "War is good business and a Cold War is big business."
    A Cold War II is possible is what I said.

    The post meanwhile quickly becomes a global tour de force that pronounces the presence everywhere of a US war machine while simultaneously ignoring Russia, the CCP Boyz in Beijing, Iran and the ME, India-Pakistan, Beijing-Taiwan, Beijing-Tokyo over the Senkaku islands in the East Sea, Beijing's support of North Korea against everybody, ISIS, Beijing vs Asean, China-India territorial disputes and much more.

    Asean countries are for instance beefing up their navies due the new SCS threats from the over-reaching CCP Boyz in Beijing, almost all of the new capital purchases being from Russia, Japan, several EU countries to include purchases by US defense treaty allies such as the Philippines and Thailand.

    The US in the SCS is conducting its well known gunboat diplomacy. The important battle ground now is in international finance, economics, trade, not in actual war. This is a maritime dispute, not a dispute on land in some rathole foreign country run by kleptocrats and religious lunatics. It's about the CCP Boyz in Beijing who know that before they can become a global power, they must first become a regional power, which is not anywhere near happening for them.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    International Recognition Of China's Sovereignty over the Nansha Islands

    The Spratly Islands (Chinese: Nánshā Qúndǎo (南沙群岛)

    A. Many countries, world public opinions and publications of other countries recognize the Nansha Islands as Chinese territory.

    1. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and the Northern Island

    a) China Sea Pilot compiled and printed by the Hydrography Department of the Royal Navy of the United Kingdom in 1912 has accounts of the activities of the Chinese people on the Nansha Islands in a number of places.

    b) The Far Eastern Economic Review (Hong Kong) carried an article on Dec. 31 of 1973 which quotes the British High Commissioner to Singapore as having said in 1970: "Spratly Island (Nanwei Island in Chinese) was a Chinese dependency, part of Kwangtung Province… and was returned to China after the war. We can not find any indication of its having been acquired by any other country and so can only conclude it is still held by communist China."

    2. France

    a) Le Monde Colonial Illustre mentioned the Nansha Islands in its September 1933 issue. According to that issue, when a French gunboat named Malicieuse surveyed the Nanwei Island of the Nansha Islands in 1930, they saw three Chinese on the island and when France invaded nine of the Nansha Islands by force in April 1933, they found all the people on the islands were Chinese, with 7 Chinese on the Nanzi Reef, 5 on the Zhongye Island, 4 on the Nanwei Island, thatched houses, water wells and holy statues left by Chinese on the Nanyue Island and a signboard with Chinese characters marking a grain storage on the Taiping Island.

    b) Atlas International Larousse published in 1965 in France marks the Xisha, Nansha and Dongsha Islands by their Chinese names and gives clear indication of their ownership as China in brackets.

    3) Japan

    a) Yearbook of New China published in Japan in 1966 describes the coastline of China as 11 thousand kilometers long from Liaodong Peninsula in the north to the Nansha Islands in the south, or 20 thousand kilometers if including the coastlines of all the islands along its coast;

    b) Yearbook of the World published in Japan in 1972 says that Chinese territory includes not only the mainland, but also Hainan Island, Taiwan, Penghu Islands as well as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands on the South China Sea.

    4. The United States

    a) Columbia Lippincott World Toponymic Dictionary published in the United States in 1961 states that the Nansha Islands on the South China Sea are part of Guangdong Province and belong to China.

    b) The Worldmark Encyclopaedia of the Nations published in the United States in 1963 says that the islands of the People's Republic extend southward to include those isles and coral reefs on the South China Sea at the north latitude 4°.

    c) World Administrative Divisions Encyclopaedia published in 1971 says that the People's Republic has a number of archipelagoes, including Hainan Island near the South China Sea, which is the largest, and a few others on the South China Sea extending to as far as the north latitude 4°, such as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands.

    5) Vietnam

    a) Vice Foreign Minister Dung Van Khiem of the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam received Mr. Li Zhimin, charge d'affaires ad interim of the Chinese Embassy in Viet Nam and told him that "according to Vietnamese data, the Xisha and Nansha Islands are historically part of Chinese territory." Mr. Le Doc, Acting Director of the Asian Department of the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry, who was present then, added that "judging from history, these islands were already part of China at the time of the Song Dynasty."

    b) Nhan Dan of Viet Nam reported in great detail on September 6, 1958 the Chinese Government's Declaration of September 4, 1958 that the breadth of the territorial sea of the People's Republic of China should be 12 nautical miles and that this provision should apply to all territories of the People's Republic of China, including all islands on the South China Sea. On September 14 the same year, Premier Pham Van Dong of the Vietnamese Government solemnly stated in his note to Premier Zhou Enlai that Viet Nam "recognizes and supports the Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's territorial sea."
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