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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Actually, if a full-scale war were to break out between the US and China today, China would be comprehensively defeated because the US could very easily shut off all its imports and exports thereby completely crashing the Chinese economy.
    cool. as we sift through destroyed cities hoping to find a can of food, we can all slap each other on the back and shout "we won!"

    **** that, **** war, and **** dick measuring contests over islands that most of us didn't even realize existed.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    cool. as we sift through destroyed cities hoping to find a can of food, we can all slap each other on the back and shout "we won!"

    **** that, **** war, and **** dick measuring contests over islands that most of us didn't even realize existed.
    You simply have no clue what you are talking about.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    You simply have no clue what you are talking about.
    incorrect. a full scale war with China would be utterly disastrous for the US, for China, and for most of the rest of the world. do you think Russia is just going to sit on its hands and sip vodka through a straw? do you think Europe will remain idle as we lob nukes at each other? man, you hawks really don't think these things through, do you?

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    They own the islands, why can't they build military installations on them.
    They claimed the islands and are making more.
    And beginning to interfere with travel & commerce.
    That's the difference.

    Tell me ... If Trump found some shallow waters, say 12 miles off the coast of China, where he could dredge up some ocean floor and make himself an island and then let someone build a military installation on it & chased everyone away claiming it's own 12 mile, or more, territorial limits, would China be upset? Would you?
    Better never than late.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Good luck in Hawaii and along the west coast. I'll send non-irradiated canned food as soon as cross country shipping is restored. The horses have already advised me that they aren't available for that enterprise. Seems they've unionized behind my back because the pasture is lush. We'll see how that holds up next winter.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Good luck in Hawaii and along the west coast. I'll send non-irradiated canned food as soon as cross country shipping is restored. The horses have already advised me that they aren't available for that enterprise. Seems they've unionized behind my back because the pasture is lush. We'll see how that holds up next winter.
    Greetings, humbolt.

    "Whinnying" is close enough in sound to "whining" to be generally accepted, so be open-minded in your union negotiations, but watch body language...that will be critical when you get to the "sweet feed" subsection. It's the little things that cause the biggest problems! :

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    On the bolded. Why'd you make that statement? Besides the fact that it became US territory by conquest (see, it's always ok for us, just not anybody else) was US possession of Guam ever questioned, no, not by me. I mentioned Guam to point out that China has very real reasons for concern of their own, that you and others refuse to acknowledge!!! You don't think that China's looking at the US building this huge base on Guam, seeking a deep water port next door, stationing troops in Australia, and seeking use of Filipino bases as cause for concern, hmm?
    Guam was settled many decades ago. That do not justify China or any other country taking territory by whatever means from another.
    You are using what happened in the US past history to justify China's today.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, humbolt.

    "Whinnying" is close enough in sound to "whining" to be generally accepted, so be open-minded in your union negotiations, but watch body language...that will be critical when you get to the "sweet feed" subsection. It's the little things that cause the biggest problems! :
    They always show up for that. And I boost the protein and other stuff during the winter, and all I get are them looking at each other and claiming it's the SOS. I'm under-appreciated. This will come up next fall. Assuming, of course, that we all aren't annihilated before then.

    Unlike some here, I don't see WWIII looming over this. Whatever China seeks to gain, they seem to be losing on the other end as the Philippines are seriously considering inviting our navy back to Subic Bay.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's a non issue. China hasn't threatened to impede the shipping lanes, nor would they. This is about a US pivot towards containment of China, denying them a rise to power that has the neocons unraveling. Four years ago Obama made a speech in Australia that was directed straight at Beijing, so stern was it, that some Australian politicians were incensed by it because of the trade status between the two nations, they didn't appreciate the American president attacking China so from their country. We also are constructing a huge base in Guam, seeking to regain use of vietnams deep water port and negotiating the use of Filipino military bases!!!!! Looking at a map of the region, why in the hell wouldn't China be concerned? China is responding to US activities in their region, it's not them being the aggressors. Looks quite clearly to me that China is preparing themselves for a war that America is bringing to them.
    Neither has Chinese statements helped either- mouthpiece news outlets, speaking for the Govt have stated war can be possible.
    As to the Philippines, same with India aligning with the US. Why is that alignment taking place? China and past wars with India, territorial grabs.
    China has base rights for a seaport in Pakistan. How it that any different from the US?
    Same as their plan to have naval base rights in Sri Lanka. Right by India.
    With the SC Seas and Sri Lanka they could have 2 choke points.


    India-China Border Dispute
    On assuming power, the People‘s Republic of China (PRC) renounced all prior foreign agreements as unequal treaties imposed upon it during the "century of humiliation" and demanded renegotiation of all borders. The Sino-India border remains the only major territorial dispute, other than South China Sea disputes, that China has not resolved. China‘s growing assertiveness in its territorial claims, especially on Arunachal Pradesh, and its relentless development of infrastructure in Tibet will shape the prospects of Sino-India relations.

    The territory stretching from the jungles of northern Myanmar, westward to the Karakoram Range, and northward to the edge of the Tibetan plateau can be seen as a single geopolitical system referred to as the Himalayan-Tibetan massif. The ruggedness of this terrain makes movement of men and materiel extremely difficult, thus preventing Indian and Chinese civilizations from intermingling or projecting military power in these remote areas effectively. Not until 1962 did the Chinese and Indian armies fight each other over these desolate heights, thus altering the geopolitics of the region significantly.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    They always show up for that. And I boost the protein and other stuff during the winter, and all I get are them looking at each other and claiming it's the SOS. I'm under-appreciated. This will come up next fall. Assuming, of course, that we all aren't annihilated before then.

    Unlike some here, I don't see WWIII looming over this. Whatever China seeks to gain, they seem to be losing on the other end as the Philippines are seriously considering inviting our navy back to Subic Bay.
    Is it the oil and gas under the South China sea, or the shipping lanes they're most interested in? Both could be, I guess, but both would require international discussions. Who "owns" the Suez Canal?

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