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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's a non issue. China hasn't threatened to impede the shipping lanes, nor would they. This is about a US pivot towards containment of China, denying them a rise to power that has the neocons unraveling. Four years ago Obama made a speech in Australia that was directed straight at Beijing, so stern was it, that some Australian politicians were incensed by it because of the trade status between the two nations, they didn't appreciate the American president attacking China so from their country. We also are constructing a huge base in Guam, seeking to regain use of vietnams deep water port and negotiating the use of Filipino military bases!!!!! Looking at a map of the region, why in the hell wouldn't China be concerned? China is responding to US activities in their region, it's not them being the aggressors. Looks quite clearly to me that China is preparing themselves for a war that America is bringing to them.
    there's not going to be a war with China, because neither side would win.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You don't understand **** Jack, I mean jack ****. Everybody thinks his country is the best. America has done lots of great things here and for others. That's the easy part to focus on. It's those things that are stains on our history that are difficult for most people to admit, preferring to ignore, excuse, justify, or like you, just deny.
    I don't deny anything, but I don't "blame America first" or blindly accept every scurrilous propaganda meme either.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    every empire tries to maintain its maximum sphere of influence / dominance, and most of them end up collapsing in on themselves. i'd prefer to see us take a different path and be a country instead.






    a far east pissing match over some islands is their bar fight, not ours. if they want to pummel each other over nothing, that's their prerogative. we have infrastructure to build, people who need jobs, and kids who we should be sending to college instead.
    And retreating from Asia would make all that harder.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes they do, and not only do they have treaty titles to them, they have written international acknowledgements of their ownership of them.
    I guess that's why they're routinely referred to as "disputed."
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I think (hope) a war with China is extremely unlikely. It would no doubt be devastating to both nations.
    Would this have even been possible if Chamber of commerce republican and democrat scum did not sign a trade deal with China? What they **** did they think China was going to do with all that revenue? Help the poor?Ha.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Would this have even been possible if Chamber of commerce republican and democrat scum did not sign a trade deal with China? What they **** did they think China was going to do with all that revenue? Help the poor?Ha.
    There are many trading partners and China was going to become wealthy as soon as they freed up their economy, no matter what we did. The Economist predicted that thirty years ago. By establishing normal trade relations with China we enriched ourselves as well. And btw, economic development has indeed lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And retreating from Asia would make all that harder.
    the **** it would. war with China would be national suicide, so it won't happen.

    but just for ****s and giggles, are you going to stop buying Chinese made goods while we bump chests with them over a war that's not going to happen?

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    the **** it would. war with China would be national suicide, so it won't happen.

    but just for ****s and giggles, are you going to stop buying Chinese made goods while we bump chests with them over a war that's not going to happen?
    I'm not going to change my economic behavior in any way. Nor should I. Nor should anyone else.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There are many trading partners and China was going to become wealthy as soon as they freed up their economy, no matter what we did. The Economist predicted that thirty years ago. By establishing normal trade relations with China we enriched ourselves as well. And btw, economic development has indeed lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty.
    Greetings, Jack.

    I read today that China is spending at least one trillion dollars (American) creating a new "Silk Road" through Western China. This will bring modern conveniences, like tap water, to over 600 million people in that part of the country, which is mostly rural. They are providing construction jobs, so they hope to bring prosperity to a very poor area, and it is anticipated that many little towns will spring up along the road to provide places for travelers to eat and sleep.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm not going to change my economic behavior in any way. Nor should I. Nor should anyone else.
    yep, you sure wouldn't. most other hawks wouldn't, either. that is one more reason that there will be no war with China : economics. ****, these days, that's probably an even more compelling deterrent than MAD.

    i appreciate you answering the question directly, though.

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