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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    not surprising that you would support escalating a pissing match over islands all of the way into an unwinnable war that would utterly destroy the US. hawks continue to amaze me sometimes. thanks for at least answering the question instead of dodging it with a one liner, though.
    Chinese fear that we just might do that is the only thing that restrains them.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Building on islands they own and increasing the size of islands they own is one thing.
    But this ain't that one thing.
    They want an island(s) to develop, likely for an eventual military installation, in what should be international waters but won't be once they claim it.
    You're okay with that?
    Why?
    They own the islands, why can't they build military installations on them.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Chinese fear that we just might do that is the only thing that restrains them.
    well, that, and the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet. but by all means, let's have another dick measuring contest to prove it. it's not like our own house needs work. let's go bar fightin'!

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    well, that, and the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet. but by all means, let's have another dick measuring contest to prove it. it's not like our own house needs work. let's go bar fightin'!
    That's really not it at all. Our entire economic, diplomatic and military position in Asia rests on the credibility of our commitments to our allies. Part of that commitment is defense of freedom of navigation, for ourselves and our allies. You can't just wish away conflict; it will come anyway.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Relations with Vietnam have been on the mend for years.
    Guam, US territory.

    And what has the US done, stated repeatedly for all to negotiate. Yet China backed out of multilateral discussions.
    China is clearly attempting to shut the US out of Asia.
    Do you have a link where the US stated clearly they wanted China contained?
    Stationing a few thousand troops in Australia means exactly squat. 1200 now and max out at 2500 in 2017. Still squat.
    As to the Philippines, the base after if was gone caused a major hole in the Philippine economy.
    The Philippines want US protection, and why should the US refuse.
    China is preparing for war with the US.
    The US's economic future is in Asia. Being cut out undermines the US.
    Therefore it is a strategic interest of the US.

    China's leader is telling the People's Liberation Army to prepare for war


    Interesting article.

    China and the United States are preparing for war | China Daily Mail
    On the bolded. Why'd you make that statement? Besides the fact that it became US territory by conquest (see, it's always ok for us, just not anybody else) was US possession of Guam ever questioned, no, not by me. I mentioned Guam to point out that China has very real reasons for concern of their own, that you and others refuse to acknowledge!!! You don't think that China's looking at the US building this huge base on Guam, seeking a deep water port next door, stationing troops in Australia, and seeking use of Filipino bases as cause for concern, hmm?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    They own the islands, why can't they build military installations on them.
    They don't own the islands.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Now I understand our difference. I believe the US, with some missteps and bad acts to be sure, has done more good than harm, and more good than any country in history. Exceptional indeed.
    You don't understand **** Jack, I mean jack ****. Everybody thinks his country is the best. America has done lots of great things here and for others. That's the easy part to focus on. It's those things that are stains on our history that are difficult for most people to admit, preferring to ignore, excuse, justify, or like you, just deny.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That's really not it at all.
    every empire tries to maintain its maximum sphere of influence / dominance, and most of them end up collapsing in on themselves. i'd prefer to see us take a different path and be a country instead.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Our entire economic, diplomatic and military position in Asia rests on the credibility of our commitments to our allies. Part of that commitment is defense of freedom of navigation, for ourselves and our allies. You can't just wish away conflict; it will come anyway.
    a far east pissing match over some islands is their bar fight, not ours. if they want to pummel each other over nothing, that's their prerogative. we have infrastructure to build, people who need jobs, and kids who we should be sending to college instead.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    not surprising that you would support escalating a pissing match over islands all of the way into an unwinnable war that would utterly destroy the US. hawks continue to amaze me sometimes. thanks for at least answering the question instead of dodging it with a one liner, though.
    It's a non issue. China hasn't threatened to impede the shipping lanes, nor would they. This is about a US pivot towards containment of China, denying them a rise to power that has the neocons unraveling. Four years ago Obama made a speech in Australia that was directed straight at Beijing, so stern was it, that some Australian politicians were incensed by it because of the trade status between the two nations, they didn't appreciate the American president attacking China so from their country. We also are constructing a huge base in Guam, seeking to regain use of vietnams deep water port and negotiating the use of Filipino military bases!!!!! Looking at a map of the region, why in the hell wouldn't China be concerned? China is responding to US activities in their region, it's not them being the aggressors. Looks quite clearly to me that China is preparing themselves for a war that America is bringing to them.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    They don't own the islands.
    Yes they do, and not only do they have treaty titles to them, they have written international acknowledgements of their ownership of them.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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